Hi Bill,
Had seen your nice data before, but one thing finally awoke in my
old brain when I looked at it this time that I had not considered before.
We know that parallel cores give slightly better efficiency than a serial core
set because the DT decreases for the second core in the series compared to both
parallel cores having the same DT (at least in theory). However, what jumped out at me this
time was the real significance of the parallel cores in cooling. In this
case, I am assuming no thermostat in the coolant flow.
If I understood your graphs correctly, it looks like you are
getting around 20 gpm flow with a single core (so presumably you would get a
bit less with two cores in series – but perhaps not significantly), but looks
like with parallel cores you are getting around 32 gpm flow. That is a
20/32 = approx 37 % more mass coolant flow through the
engine. That means (all else being equal), you should transfer 37%
more heat out of the engine per unit time with the parallel cores compared to
the serial cores (assuming cores of same type and size).
Now the engine is producing X amount of waste heat at Y HP that it
needs to get rid of. That won’t change for a given power setting Y.
So Q (waste heat X) produced by the engine should be a constant at Y Hp.
So taking Q = M*Dt/Cp and since Q (waste heat) = constant at power setting Y,
then with M (mass flow up 37%) implies that in this case Dt = (Temp of coolant out
of engine – temp of coolant into engine) should decrease by 37%.
When you increase the mass flow and are removing the same quantity of heat, the
DT is of
necessity a lower value.
If that is the case, then the question is - does this mean
the temp of coolant into the
engine increases – not necessarily
desirable, or does the Temp of coolant out of
the engine decrease? Or a bit of
both? I suspect it’s a bit of both depending on the radiator’s
performance. If your radiators/air flow are the limiting factors, then
transferring more heat per unit time to the radiators is not going to buy you
much. The reason is that if it is not able to get rid of the heat at the
faster rate and the DT between the coolant and air will be less.
But, my guess is that this theoretical increase in heat removal by
using parallel cores could be useful in some situations – again if you are
already limited in the airflow situation, then this won’t make much
difference. It does suggest that using parallel cores could result
in the need for core sizes 37% smaller. OR did I miss something here?
Like your data in any case
Ed
From: Rotary motors in aircraft
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On Behalf Of Bill Schertz
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 10:39
AM
To: Rotary
motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re:
alternative water pump
Back in 2002
I measured the flow from a 13-B pump, attached to the engine but driven with an
electric motor. The curve is attached. I ran the pump at 3 different RPM,
established by changing the pulley size on the motor. At 5594 rpm, the pump
produced 19 psi at zero flow, and 44 gpm at 0 psi. At lower RPM, the pump of
course pumps less.
The other
test I did was to measure the flow through one core of the two I was using for
my installation. That is the curve going up to the right with the red dots as
the experimental points. Since I am running my cores in parallel, the right
hand rising curve is a 'calculated' flow response for the parallel cores.
Finally, I
hooked up the cores to the system, and pumped water through them. The single
large point represents where the flow and pressure came out, very close to the
calculated expected response.
All flow
measurements were done by the "bucket and stop-watch" technique, with
multiple runs to get the flow.
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser #4045
N343BS
Phase I testing
Sent:
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 11:54 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary]
Re: alternative water pump
Al,
Are you sure of the 40 GPM? That
seems like a lot. My radiator in/out is 1.25 inches, so the water would
be traveling at 628 feet per minute at that flow rate. That is over 7
miles per hour!
Bill B
When my 20B (with a 13B pump that Atkins referred to as ‘high
flow’) was on the dyno the measured flow was 48 gpm with the standard
pulleys. I expect the dyno cooling loop was fairly low pressure drop
compared to our typical systems, so I’m just guessing 40 gpm is in the
ballpark. 628 fpm (10.5 ft/sec) would not be considered very high - -
above 15 ft/sec I’d consider high.
Al