Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #51218
From: Bill Bradburry <bbradburry@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: alternative water pump
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 11:48:01 -0400
To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft' <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>

Bill.

I am really good at reading someone else’s graphs…Ha!   :>)

 

So does this show that at 5594 rpm, and 6 lbs pressure, when you would expect 38 GPM, you actually got 24 GPM?  You are very close to the curve for 3730 FPM.  Is that what you were running during your test?

 

Or, as would be expected, am I misreading your graphs?  :>)

 

Bill B

 


From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bill Schertz
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 10:39 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: alternative water pump

 

Back in 2002 I measured the flow from a 13-B pump, attached to the engine but driven with an electric motor. The curve is attached. I ran the pump at 3 different RPM, established by changing the pulley size on the motor. At 5594 rpm, the pump produced 19 psi at zero flow, and 44 gpm at 0 psi. At lower RPM, the pump of course pumps less.

 

The other test I did was to measure the flow through one core of the two I was using for my installation. That is the curve going up to the right with the red dots as the experimental points. Since I am running my cores in parallel, the right hand rising curve is a 'calculated' flow response for the parallel cores.

 

Finally, I hooked up the cores to the system, and pumped water through them. The single large point represents where the flow and pressure came out, very close to the calculated expected response.

 

All flow measurements were done by the "bucket and stop-watch" technique, with multiple runs to get the flow.

 

Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser #4045
N343BS
Phase I testing

 

From: Al Gietzen

Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 11:54 AM

Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: alternative water pump

 

Al,

Are you sure of the 40 GPM?  That seems like a lot.  My radiator in/out is 1.25 inches, so the water would be traveling at 628 feet per minute at that flow rate.  That is over 7 miles per hour!

 

Bill B

When my 20B (with a 13B pump that Atkins referred to as ‘high flow’) was on the dyno the measured flow was 48 gpm with the standard pulleys.  I expect the dyno cooling loop was fairly low pressure drop compared to our typical systems, so I’m just guessing 40 gpm is in the ballpark.  628 fpm (10.5 ft/sec) would not be considered very high - - above 15 ft/sec I’d consider high.

Al

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