X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail1.fdic.gov ([167.176.16.5] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.6) with ESMTPS id 4247120 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 04 May 2010 10:42:08 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=167.176.16.5; envelope-from=brogers@fdic.gov X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CAEB97.E0A5FBA6" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] TurboCharger Choices for 13B Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 09:41:27 -0500 Message-ID: <1F44A251F397E444B05E240B8688AB7906A9D6BE@DALEXC100P.PROD.FDIC.GOV> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [FlyRotary] TurboCharger Choices for 13B Thread-Index: AcrrIerGNZ3z0nyASzasbTMEPW5yCwAdB7Kw References: From: "Rogers, Bob J." To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Return-Path: BRogers@FDIC.gov X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 May 2010 14:41:29.0233 (UTC) FILETIME=[E1ADC010:01CAEB97] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAEB97.E0A5FBA6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kelly, =20 As stated below, I have the Turbonetics 60-1, 1.15 A/R with whatever standard wheel is supplied. I don't remember the specification for the wheel. I picked this turbo because it seemed to be the best suited for my needs and the Mazda 13B engine. It does not over speed and develops good boost at the right engine rpm. Takeoff is up to 40" MP, 38" climb, and 30-36" cruise. I like to fly between 7,000 and 10,000 feet for cross country. I plan to be at Oshkosh for Air Venture this summer and plan to get a Mountain High Oxygen System, so that I can cruise higher, up to 17,900 VFR. See http://www.mountainhighoxygen.com/index.phtml?nav_id=3D28&product_id=3D42= 1 =20 Bob =20 ________________________________ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Kelly Troyer Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 7:36 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] TurboCharger Choices for 13B =20 Bob, I presume your turbo is a TO-4...........Do you know which turbine wheel you have ?.............I have been talking to "Turbonetics" about a TO-4, 50-1 trim, 1.15 a/r turbine housing and they say my only choices for the turbine wheel are the F1-65 mm or the F1-68 mm with the 1.15 a/r housing...........I have indicated flight up to 18,000 ft (not often) and they have suggested the F1-68 mm to avoid overspeed at high altitude............ =20 I have compared the TO-4 50-1 and 60-1 compressor maps and used 25 lb/min airflow at a max 1.7 p/r (approx 10 psi boost or 50 in/mp).......Both the 50 & 60 -1 look good on the flow charts and wondered what the factor was for your choice of the 60-1.......... =20 Realistically I will not use over about 5 psi or 40 in/mp and will just normalize most of the time...... =20 I would like to know what boost figures you use for take off, climb and cruise plus what altitude you typically cruise at.............. =20 Thanks -- Kelly Troyer=20 "Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine=20 "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=20 "Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=20 =20 -------------- Original message from "Rogers, Bob J." : --------------=20 =09 =09 =09 My turbo is a Turbonetics 60-1 compressor trim, with 1.15 A/R divided tang, oil to bearings, and water cooled. See the following link. =20 =09 http://www.agpturbo.com/product.php?productid=3D16138&cat=3D252&page=3D1 = or the attached .pdf file (if it can be transmitted). =20 =20 Bob =20 =20 =09 ________________________________ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Kelly Troyer Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 3:52 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Rotary engine aircraft in Dallas area =20 Bob, Curious as to the make,model, Compressor Trim and A/R of the Turbine housing of your Turbo ??................... =20 =20 -- Kelly Troyer=20 "Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine=20 "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=20 "Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=20 =09 =09 =09 =09 =20 -------------- Original message from "Rogers, Bob J." : --------------=20 I am the guy in McKinney. See http://www.eaa1246.org/projectsnplanesdisplay.asp?id=3D10 and http://www.eaa1246.org/videodisplay.asp?id=3D36 I am not an A&P. =20 Bob Rogers Mustang II N62BT =20 =09 ________________________________ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bryan Winberry Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 12:57 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary engine aircraft in Dallas area =20 There's also a guy in McKinney. I can't remember his name, but you could find it on the EAA website. Bryan =20 =09 ________________________________ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bill Eslick Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 1:54 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary engine aircraft in Dallas area =20 Al, =09 I am about 70 miles SW of DFW at Pecan Plantation (0TX1), and Jason Hutchison also has a rotary-powered RV-6A here. Feel free to visit anytime. Neither of us is an A&P. =09 Bill Eslick On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Al Gietzen wrote: Who do we have in Dallas area installing or flying rotary engine? Anyone with A&P Certification? =20 Thanks, =20 Al =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAEB97.E0A5FBA6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Kelly,

 

As stated below, I have the = Turbonetics 60-1, 1.15 A/R with whatever standard wheel is supplied.  I don’t remember the = specification for the wheel.  I picked = this turbo because it seemed to be the best suited for my needs and the Mazda 13B engine.  It does not over = speed and develops good boost at the right engine rpm.  Takeoff is up to 40” = MP,  = 38” climb, and 30-36” cruise.  = I like to fly between 7,000 and 10,000 feet for cross country.  I plan to be at Oshkosh for Air Venture this summer = and plan to get a Mountain High Oxygen System, so that I can cruise higher, up to = 17,900 VFR.  See http://www.mountainhighoxygen.com/index.phtml?nav_id=3D28&= amp;product_id=3D421

 

Bob

 

From: = Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Kelly Troyer
Sent: Monday, May 03, = 2010 7:36 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] = TurboCharger Choices for 13B

 

Bob,

   I presume your turbo is a TO-4...........Do you = know which turbine wheel you have ?.............I have been talking to "Turbonetics" about a TO-4, 50-1 = trim,

1.15 a/r turbine housing and they say my only choices for the = turbine wheel are

the F1-65 mm or the F1-68 mm with the 1.15 a/r = housing...........I have indicated

flight up to 18,000 ft (not often) and they have suggested the = F1-68 mm to avoid

overspeed at high = altitude............

 

   I have compared the TO-4 50-1 and 60-1 = compressor maps and used 25 lb/min

airflow at a max 1.7 p/r (approx 10 psi boost or 50 in/mp).......Both the 50 & 60 -1 look good on the flow charts and = wondered what the factor was for your choice of the = 60-1..........

 

  Realistically I will  not use over about 5 psi or 40 = in/mp and will just normalize most of the = time......

 

  I would like to know what boost figures you use = for take off, climb and cruise

plus what altitude you typically cruise = at..............

 

Thanks

--
Kelly Troyer
"Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold


 

-------------- Original message from "Rogers, Bob J." <BRogers@FDIC.gov>: -------------- =


My turbo is a Turbonetics 60-1 = compressor trim, with 1.15 A/R divided tang, oil to bearings, and water = cooled.  See the following = link.

 

http://www.agpturbo.com/product.php?productid=3D16138&am= p;cat=3D252&page=3D1  or the attached .pdf file (if = it can be transmitted).  =

 

Bob

 

 

From: = Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Kelly Troyer
Sent: Wednesday, April = 21, 2010 3:52 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] = Rotary engine aircraft in Dallas = area

 

Bob,

  Curious as to the make,model, Compressor Trim and A/R = of  the

Turbine housing of your Turbo = ??...................

 

--
Kelly Troyer
"Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold



 

-------------- = Original message from "Rogers, Bob = J." <BRogers@FDIC.gov>: --------------

I am the guy in McKinney.  See http:/= /www.eaa1246.org/projectsnplanesdisplay.asp?id=3D10 and http://www.eaa12= 46.org/videodisplay.asp?id=3D36

I am not an = A&P.

 

Bob = Rogers

Mustang = II

N62BT

 

From: = Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bryan Winberry
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, = 2010 12:57 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Rotary engine aircraft in Dallas<= /st1:City> area

 

There’s also a guy in = McKinney.  I can’t remember his name, but you could find it on the EAA = website.

Bryan

 

From: = Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bill Eslick
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, = 2010 1:54 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Rotary engine aircraft in Dallas<= /st1:City> area

 

Al,

I am about 70 miles SW of DFW at Pecan Plantation (0TX1), and Jason = Hutchison also has a rotary-powered RV-6A here.  Feel free to visit = anytime.  Neither of us is an A&P.

Bill Eslick

On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Al Gietzen <ALVentures@cox.net> = wrote:

Who do we have in Dallas<= /st1:City> area installing or flying rotary engine? Anyone with A&P = Certification?

 <= /o:p>

Thanks,=

 <= /o:p>

Al

 

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