X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.32] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.5) with ESMTP id 4234439 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 09:14:49 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.30.32; envelope-from=wschertz@comcast.net Received: from omta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.52]) by qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id AD9F1e00517UAYkA3DEElZ; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 13:14:14 +0000 Received: from WschertzPC ([71.57.77.95]) by omta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ADE91e00E23NHuF8ZDEDm0; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 13:14:13 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Bill Schertz" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Glass Cockpit Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 08:14:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 Mike, I have just finished installing a GRT Sport in my rotary powered airplane. Replacing a Blue Mountain unit. Although 'they' did not customize the engine monitor for the rotary, it is quite flexible and can be 'customized' by the owner. I use CHT probes to measure various temperatures as I debug my installation. (Water in and out of radiators, oil cooler temperature, etc.) I use Aux 1 and 3 for fuel levels, Aux 2 for Fuel pressure Aux 4 for Coolant pressure Only using 2 EGT's at the present time. Bill Schertz KIS Cruiser #4045 N343BS Phase I testing (By the way, my Blue Mountain unit was finally returned repaired by Greg Richter, but I had already started the conversion. I would be willing to sell a complete BM unit, 10" display, Gold Box EFIS, Autopilot controller, Autopilot servos to someone who has a Gold Box system as a back up incase they need service on their unit. Then they could keep flying while their unit was being repaired. $1000 for an original 13,000 unit. ) -------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Wills" Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 12:24 AM To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Glass Cockpit > Charlie, > > Will GRT customize the engine monitor to accommodate the requirements of a > rotary (and yes, I realize you fly a Lyc)? Many years ago when I was > shopping for a monitor the answer I got was no so I passed on GRT. But > that may have changed. > > Mike Wills > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Charlie England" > Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 6:59 PM > To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Glass Cockpit > >> VFR or IFR? For pure VFR, almost anything would be fine. >> >> My primary reason for an SNF trip this year was to get face to face time >> with the EFIS companies in an attempt to understand what each will/won't >> do. Turns out there are significant differences among even the major >> players. For instance, the Trutrak EFIS can't directly control their own >> Trutrak autopilot heads; you must hook the servos directly to the EFIS >> (loss of redundancy). The Dynon with servos has the same loss of >> redundancy issue. IIRC, at one point, the Dynon required GPS (external) >> data to keep the EFIS oriented, but I've heard that they have since fixed >> that. >> >> I didn't look at the Advanced Flight Systems stuff; too expensive for me, >> & I didn't see the MGL (South Africa) guys. >> >> I was pleasantly surprised at the Grand Rapids Sport. It will listen to >> any GPS, it can do an angle of attack calculation without extra air >> sensors, it can drive a Trutrak autopilot head (redundancy; if the EFIS >> dies the Trutrak can still fly the plane), even the cheapest model with >> no synthetic vision still has a flight director and 'highway in the sky' >> boxes to guide you to a runway, a database of all FAA data (waypoints, >> obstructions, terrain, frequencies, etc) is available through GRT. Free. >> Forever. (Keeping a Garmin 430 current can cost as much as $1600 a year, >> over half the cost of the GRT Sport.) The one thing I didn't like was >> that when you ask it to show you freqs for a new area/destination, the >> full screen goes black & the info is presented in white. I pointed out >> that losing flight data while tuning the radio was not a good idea & that >> they could instead put the freq data where the engine data normally >> resides, the rep (one of the engineering types at GRT) immediately >> started taking notes He was accustomed to having 2 screens & they hadn't >> thought about low budget fliers like me. He gave me the impression that >> there would soon be some software revisions available to GRT EFIS owners. >> >> I'm sure the game will change again within a week or two, but for now it >> looks like the GRT would give me the most bang for my buck. A touch over >> $4,200 US will get 1 screen, an engine monitor/display which can display >> its data on the EFIS screen, and all the engine probes with fuel flow for >> a 4cyl engine. The EFIS alone is about $3,000. >> >> I'm sure there are issues that I didn't think to even ask about (I'm not >> yet instrument rated), so don't accept this as a complete evaluation. >> >> Charlie >> >> >> On 4/25/2010 6:23 PM, Tracy Crook wrote: >>> Dynon and Grand Rapids Technologies both have good reputations. Wish >>> I'd bought either one of those instead of Bluemountain :-( >>> >>> Tracy >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 7:16 PM, George Lendich >> > wrote: >>> >>> Chaps, >>> I'm enquiring for a buddy, who is considering glass cockpit ( >>> GC)displays and is interested in the Dynon product for his light >>> Sport Jabiru. >>> Any feed back welcome on any of the GC products, their reliability >>> and value for money. >>> George ( down under) >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> Archive and UnSub: >> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >