X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail-px0-f180.google.com ([209.85.212.180] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.5) with ESMTP id 4234376 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 08:08:42 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.212.180; envelope-from=msteitle@gmail.com Received: by pxi2 with SMTP id 2so1609672pxi.25 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 05:08:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=32PB/aiSeeADve56zqucYhMvJAiedTQvWYgkZCtnBMk=; b=IG4cOBmhQx+hUDq12QMg+/+xA11u/DHYZhYIXB8nEq6hrbIZ0gqvGpqh4RzvlUBynz GTTcJvfheRib5DY36izRjrqfUlbwPYqKXq6WB5g/KcDhUoeUBEKifgL/INKag/tDtHob E58GepJ+3zHswo+/697Hp9qGa/nub19uCQxSs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=bL9KHflGjjlB9+mLFGnk0M2OJzfLxOTaQddi53csj+Q8nprE3h6PSJdc9u1yjvCGLX kODqhZDRtdym/o9jsjDJWm8iXZFCAGo7t0W8gKD67p+rVJPdORpsLbMcADz+eSOkuQUG UVbT/nINne6/iZVfGtznaUGkmkupORrrv4iCA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.114.186.35 with SMTP id j35mr4083350waf.13.1272283686667; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 05:08:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.183.77 with HTTP; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 05:08:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 07:08:06 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Renesis CAS Trigger Wheel Dims From: Mark Steitle To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485e7c9503284d5048522a1a9 --001485e7c9503284d5048522a1a9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kelly, No, this motor has 20B housings. They have an unusual looking exhaust insert that I haven't seen on the 13b. Anyway, I had replaced these on my original motor with 13b turbo inserts. I'm sure that didn't help with the noise. This time I left the stock inserts in place. Mark On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 10:18 PM, Kelly Troyer wrote: > Mark, > I presume you have NA 13B rotor housings or have replaced the 20B > housing > "D" shaped exhaust inserts with NA 13B inserts ??.................. > -- > Kelly Troyer > "Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine > "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 > "Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold > > > > > > -------------- Original message from Mark Steitle : > -------------- > > Bill/Kelly, > > OK, I got the leaking water pump cartridge changed out (had a spare), and > about two dozen other little items handled this weekend. One thing that = I > discovered was that the paint on the belly of the fuse was starting to > bubble from the exhaust heat being directed too close to the belly. So, = I > added a short turn-down to the tailpipe. But that required the exhaust > system be removed from the a/c, welded, and then reinstalled. The heat i= s > now directed at the pavement (what's that smell... boiling tar?). > > Anyway, I finally got everything back together, did another run only to > discover a very low EGT. I installed a new injector (had a spare) and th= e > EGT's were much closer. So, having a hangar queen for 3-1/2 months, I > buttoned her up and went flying. Keep in mind that tuning is less than > perfect, but all in all, it ran very well. It is a new engine, so I babi= ed > it the whole way. Oil temps got to 205, water 175, OAT was 78F. In leve= l > flight oil was 175, water 157. I may need a water spray bar on the oil > cooler for temp control during climbout on hot days, more testing is need= ed. > I'll be watching this very closely. > > My initial impressions were: > 1) its great to be back in the air again, > 2) engine starts about the same as the side port motor did, > 3) the exhaust is noticeably quieter due to the tangential muffler and th= e > not-turbo exhaust splitters. The exhaust tone no longer has a deep rumbl= e > that began at the time I installed the DNA muffler. The absence of deep > tones is less annoying and makes it easier for the ANR to cancel out the > remainder of the noise. I can actually hear the radio now. I'll take so= me > db readings in the near future. > 4) EFI needs more tuning, but mixtures were easily adjusted by small twea= ks > on the mixture knob. Did I mention that I installed a wideband O2 sensor > and gauge? Having a digital reference makes it much easier to tell exact= ly > where the mixture is at. I will invoke "auto-tune" on the next flight, > 5) oil cooling may need some improvement. > 6) MSD ignition performed flawlessly. I examined the plugs after the 30 > minute flight and they all looked perfectly normal. For the record, I'm > running Renesis iridium plugs with three MSD-6A's, three MSD Blaster coil= s > for the leading plugs. I kept the EC-2 for the fuel injectors and to pow= er > the trailing coils/plugs. > > That's about all for now. Hope to fly again next weekend. Stay tuned... > > Mark S. > Austin > > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Kelly Troyer wrote: > >> Mark, >> *"Pictures,,,,Pictures"* From the *"Steitle Skunk Works"*!!..........= ...When you have time of course................ >> -- >> Kelly Troyer >> "Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine >> "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 >> "Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold >> >> >> >> >> >> -------------- Original message from Mark Steitle : >> -------------- >> >> Sorry Bill, it was IFR all weekend and I didn't get to fly. Then I was >> checking things on Saturday and noticed my water pump dripping coolant f= rom >> the seal. So, I've decided to go ahead and install a Renesis water pump= . I >> had purchased a Renesis wp and front cover about a year ago with the int= ent >> of changing over. Since the Renesis wp is integral with the front cover= , I >> had to band saw the wp housing from the front cover. I will be using it= and >> the Renesis wp cartridge and discarding the rest. I will also have to u= se >> the Renesis front hub in order to get the pulleys to line up. This has >> required some minor machine work to the Renesis hub as it is different f= rom >> the 20B hub. (That's why I was asking for the dimensions for the CAS >> trigger wheel.) All of this will save about 7.5#. >> >> As for my impressions of the p-port motor, so far I'm very happy with it= . >> Idle is acceptable and power is noticably increased over the side port >> motor. The intake is much lighter and simpler to fabricate (except for >> machining the housings which you could farm out). Everything else conne= cts >> with hose clamps. >> >> Mark S. >> >> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Bill Bradburry > > wrote: >> >>> Mark, >>> >>> Speaking of a two hour drive=85.did you get in the air this weekend?? >>> >>> Report on the PPort!! >>> >>> >>> >>> Bill B >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] = *On >>> Behalf Of *Mark Steitle >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 20, 2010 2:54 PM >>> >>> *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft >>> *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Renesis CAS Trigger Wheel Dims >>> >>> >>> >>> Does anyone happen to know the thickness of the Renesis crank trigger >>> wheel? This is the toothed wheel that triggers the ignition & injector= s. I >>> need to know the exact thickness of the timing wheel. If anyone can se= nd me >>> this dimension I would be very appreciative as it would save me a two h= our >>> drive. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Mark S. >>> >> >> > --001485e7c9503284d5048522a1a9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Kelly,
=A0
No, this motor has=A020B housings.=A0 They have an unusual looking exh= aust insert that I haven't seen on the 13b.=A0 Anyway, I had replaced t= hese on my original motor with 13b turbo inserts.=A0 I'm sure that didn= 't help with the noise.=A0 This time I left the stock inserts in place.= =A0
=A0
Mark

On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 10:18 PM, Kelly Troyer <= span dir=3D"ltr"><keltro@att.net&g= t; wrote:
Mark,
=A0=A0 I presume you have NA 13B rotor housings or have replaced the 2= 0B housing
"D" shaped exhaust inserts with NA 13B inserts ??...........= .......
--
Kelly Troyer
"Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine
&q= uot;RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold <= br>


=A0
-------------- Original message from Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com>= ;: --------------

Bill/Kelly,=20

OK, I got the leaking water pump cartridge changed out (had a spare), = and about two dozen other little items handled this weekend. =A0One thing t= hat I discovered was that the paint on the belly of the fuse was starting t= o bubble from the exhaust heat being directed too close to the belly. =A0So= , I added a short turn-down to the tailpipe. =A0But that required the exhau= st system be removed from the a/c, welded, and then reinstalled. =A0The hea= t is now directed at the pavement (what's that smell... boiling tar?).= =20

Anyway, I finally got everything back together, did another run only t= o discover a very low EGT. =A0I installed a new injector (had a spare) and = the EGT's were much closer. =A0So, having a hangar queen for 3-1/2 mont= hs, I buttoned her up and went flying. =A0Keep in mind that tuning is less = than perfect, but all in all, it ran very well. =A0It is a new engine, so I= babied it the whole way. =A0Oil temps got to 205, water 175, OAT was 78F. = =A0In level flight oil was 175, water 157. =A0I may need a water spray bar = on the oil cooler for temp control during climbout on hot days, more testin= g is needed. =A0I'll be watching this very closely. =A0

My initial impressions were:
1) its great to be back in the air again,=A0
2) engine starts about the same as the side port motor did,=A0
3) the exhaust is noticeably quieter due to the tangential muffler and= the not-turbo exhaust splitters. =A0The exhaust tone no longer has a deep = rumble that began at the time I installed the DNA muffler. =A0The absence o= f deep tones is less annoying and makes it easier for the ANR to cancel out= the remainder of the noise. =A0I can actually hear the radio now. =A0I'= ;ll take some db readings in the near future.=A0
4) EFI needs more tuning, but mixtures were easily adjusted by small t= weaks on the mixture knob. =A0Did I mention that I installed a wideband O2 = sensor and gauge? =A0Having a digital reference makes it much easier to tel= l exactly where the mixture is at. =A0I will invoke "auto-tune" o= n the next flight,=A0
5) oil cooling may need some improvement.
6) MSD ignition performed flawlessly. =A0I examined the plugs after th= e 30 minute flight and they all looked perfectly normal. =A0For the record,= I'm running Renesis iridium plugs with three MSD-6A's, three MSD B= laster coils for the leading plugs. =A0I kept the EC-2 for the fuel injecto= rs and to power the trailing coils/plugs. =A0
=A0=A0
That's about all for now. =A0Hope to fly again next weekend. =A0St= ay tuned...

Mark S.
Austin


On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Kelly Troyer <kel= tro@att.net> wrote:
Mark,
=A0=A0 "Pictures,,,,Pictures" From the "Steitle Skunk Works" !!....= .........When you have time of course................
--
Kelly Troyer
"Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine
&q= uot;RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold <= br>


=A0
-------------- Original message from Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com>= ;: --------------

Sorry Bill, it was IFR all weekend and I didn't get to fly. =A0Then= I was checking things on Saturday and noticed my water pump dripping coola= nt from the seal. =A0So, I've decided to go ahead and install a Renesis= water pump. =A0I had purchased a Renesis wp and front cover about a year a= go with the intent of changing over. =A0Since the Renesis wp is integral wi= th the front cover, I had to band saw the wp housing from the front cover. = =A0I will be using it and the Renesis wp cartridge and discarding the rest.= =A0I will also have to use the Renesis front hub in order to get the pulle= ys to line up. =A0This has required some minor machine work to the Renesis = hub as it is different from the 20B hub. =A0(That's why I was asking fo= r the dimensions for the CAS trigger wheel.) =A0All of this=A0will save abo= ut 7.5#.=20

As for my impressions of the p-port motor, so far I'm very happy w= ith it. =A0Idle is acceptable and power is noticably increased over the sid= e port motor. =A0The intake is much lighter and simpler to fabricate (excep= t for machining the housings which you could farm out). =A0Everything else = connects with hose clamps.

Mark S. =A0 =A0=A0

On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Bill Bradburry = <bbradburry@bellsouth.net> wrote:

Mark,

Speaking of a t= wo hour drive=85.did you get in the air this weekend??

Report on the P= Port!!=A0

= =A0

Bill B

= =A0

From:= Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Mark Steitle
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 20= 10 2:54 PM=20


To: R= otary motors in aircraft
Subj= ect: [FlyRotary] Renesis CAS Trigger Wheel Dims=20

=A0

Does anyone happen to know the thickness of the Renes= is crank trigger wheel? =A0This is the toothed wheel that triggers the igni= tion & injectors. =A0I need to know the exact thickness of the timing w= heel. =A0If anyone can send me this dimension I would be very appreciative = as it would save me a two hour drive.

=A0

Thanks,

Mark S.




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