X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from poplet2.per.eftel.com ([203.24.100.45] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.5) with ESMTP id 4232425 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:36:13 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=203.24.100.45; envelope-from=lendich@aanet.com.au Received: from sv1-1.aanet.com.au (mail.aanet.com.au [203.24.100.34]) by poplet2.per.eftel.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AB721737B6 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 05:35:34 +0800 (WST) Received: from ownerf1fc517b8 (203.171.92.134.static.rev.aanet.com.au [203.171.92.134]) by sv1-1.aanet.com.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 73D82BEC024 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 05:35:33 +0800 (WST) Message-ID: <745B7BCDB63D4D65AC4FC95D38CFBD4F@ownerf1fc517b8> From: "George Lendich" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Lightweight rotary parts and engine mounts(was Cooling f... Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 07:35:34 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01CAE380.B9A0C280" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100423-1, 04/23/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CAE380.B9A0C280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill, Yep The steel centre section is bulky - has to be, but it's not overly = wide in the areas which take the mounting bolts of the stationary gear. = That would concern me in aluminium as to me it would seem to lack = strength, in the softer material. I can only assume those areas would be = reinforced somehow in a aluminium housing How do you get around the O ring area, just use thicker material in the = wear service side or braze on a thickening plate in that area. The = through bolt areas would be tubes with the channels tacked on before = brazing I assume. Other areas would be supported with spacers where = needed and the through bolt tubes and channels would also act as = spacers.=20 How am I going am I near the mark with my assumptions. No need to answer = if there is a commercial in confidence condition, just thinking out = loud. I find it all very interesting and indeed exciting when thinking = of the weigh savings. George ( down under) George, To tell the truth I didn't know about that (trying the plates) either. = What Richard has done is a fine piece of work. The fact is that the all = steel brazed housing is lighter supprised me as well. The need to mount = the stationary gears is one of the things that also adds weight. BTW you = don't even need to use chrome molly steel. Any decent low carbon will = do. Remember you are only replacing cast iron. Bill Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From: "George Lendich" =20 Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 08:19:30 +1000 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Lightweight rotary parts and engine mounts = (was Cooling f... The steel plates (lightened) are actually lighter than the sandwich = steel and aluminum plates PSport actually tried it.=20 Bill Jepson Bill , I wasn't aware of PS considered this concept and actually tried it , = I was half way through this process , some time ago, but when I machined = the wear plate out of a housing, I soon realized that there wasn't = enough weight savings to warrant the cost so didn't proceed. =20 George ( down under) ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CAE380.B9A0C280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bill,
Yep The steel centre section is bulky - has to be, but it's = not overly=20 wide in the areas which take the mounting bolts of the stationary = gear.=20 That would concern me in aluminium as to me it would seem to lack = strength,=20 in the softer material. I can only assume those areas would = be reinforced=20 somehow in a aluminium housing
 
How do you get around the O ring area, just use thicker material in = the=20 wear service side or braze on a thickening plate in that area.  The = through=20 bolt areas would be tubes with the channels tacked on before brazing I = assume.=20 Other areas would be supported with spacers where needed  and the = through=20 bolt tubes and channels would also act as spacers.
 
How am I going am I near the mark with my assumptions. No need to = answer if=20 there is a commercial in confidence condition, just thinking out loud. I = find it=20 all very interesting and indeed exciting when thinking of the weigh=20 savings.
George ( down under)
 
George,
To=20 tell the truth I didn't know about that (trying the plates) either. = What=20 Richard has done is a fine piece of work. The fact is that the all = steel=20 brazed housing is lighter supprised me as well. The need to mount the=20 stationary gears is one of the things that also adds weight. BTW you = don't=20 even need to use chrome molly steel. Any decent low carbon will do. = Remember=20 you are only replacing cast iron.
Bill

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From: "George Lendich" <lendich@aanet.com.au>
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 08:19:30 +1000
To: Rotary motors in=20 aircraft<flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Lightweight rotary parts and = engine=20 mounts (was Cooling f...

The steel plates (lightened) are actually lighter than the = sandwich=20 steel and aluminum plates PSport actually tried it.
Bill Jepson
Bill ,
I wasn't aware of PS considered this concept and actually tried = it , I=20 was half way through this process , some time ago, but when I = machined the=20 wear plate out of a housing, I soon realized that there wasn't = enough weight=20 savings to warrant the cost so didn't proceed. 
George ( down = under)
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