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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 13:33:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ben Schneider <plumberben@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Ut-Oh...
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
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Tracy and others, =0A=0A  Your thoughts on a locking type switch for these =
applications? Merit there, more trouble? Other failure or problem modes ass=
ociated? Just a cost issue?=0A=0ABen=0A=0A--- On Sun, 3/14/10, Tracy Crook =
<tracy@rotaryaviation.com> wrote:=0A=0A> From: Tracy Crook <tracy@rotaryavi=
ation.com>=0A> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ut-Oh...=0A> To: "Rotary motors in =
aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>=0A> Date: Sunday, March 14, 2010, 1=
0:39 AM=0A> Thanks David,=0A> =C2=A0=C2=A0 Both you and Jon are aviators an=
d I knew you guys=0A> understood the score on this stuff.=C2=A0 It's mostly=
 the=0A> non-flyers that think that every conceivable failure / error=0A> m=
ode can and must be eliminated.=C2=A0 Try yes,=C2=A0 but it will=0A> never =
be 100%.=C2=A0 I'm too embarassed to say how many=0A> times I've inadvertan=
tly turned off my fuel pump=0A> switch.=C2=A0 Must move it soon.=0A> =0A> =
=0A> BTW, I think it is a tribute to the community of=0A> experimental buil=
ders and pilots that so many power out=0A> landings end as gracefully as th=
e ones that have been=0A> discussed on this list.=C2=A0 Don't know the offi=
cial stats=0A> but my impression is that only a small fraction of typical=
=0A> GA power out incidents end this well.=0A> =0A> =0A> Tracy Crook=0A> #y=
iv1287739025 #avg_ls_inline_popup=0A> {padding:0px=0A> 0px;margin-left:0px;=
margin-top:0px;width:240px;overflow:hidden;word-wrap:break-word;color:black=
;font-size:10px;text-align:left;line-height:13px;}=0A> =0A> On Sun, Mar 14,=
 2010 at 11:04 AM,=0A> David Leonard <wdleonard@gmail.com>=0A> wrote:=0A> =
=0A> Tracy,=0A> =C2=A0=0A> I definately do not consider this a short coming=
 of=0A> the EC2.=C2=A0 Though, I do think that I will cut down the=0A> swit=
ch to help prevent a recurrence.=C2=A0 Though I don't=0A> think I will ever=
 neglect to check that if something should=0A> happen in the future...=C2=
=A0 I wonder what else is lurking out=0A> there.=0A> =0A> =0A> =C2=A0=0A> -=
- =0A> David Leonard=0A> =0A> Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY=0A> http://N4VY.Rotary=
Roster.net=0A> http://RotaryRoster.net=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> On Sun, Mar 14, 2=
010 at 7:10=0A> AM, Tracy Crook <tracy@rotaryaviation.com>=0A> wrote:=0A> =
=0A> I know Dave or Jon wouldn't=0A> phrase it this way but I've already re=
ceived a number of=0A> messages from others about these two recent in-fligh=
t power=0A> failures due to EC2 issues. =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =C2=A0Jon's was=
 due to a loose mounting nut inside the EC2=0A> that shorted the main power=
 input filter to ground and=0A> burned open both foils from the 2 power inp=
ut pins.=C2=A0 How=0A> lucky was that. =0A> =0A> =C2=A0 Anyway, at the risk=
 of sounding defensive, I thought=0A> I'd share my response to one of them =
that suggested=0A> changing the EC2 case to an external mount of some sort.=
=C2=A0=0A> I'm sure there are scores of messages on the way urging=0A> me t=
o place switch guards on the cold start switch=C2=A0 : )=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A>=
 REPLY=0A> =0A> Hello ----------=0A> =C2=A0 I'm aware of the failure and ha=
ve the unit here for=0A> repair.=0A> =0A> =C2=A0=C2=A0 Like a thousand othe=
r critical details in building an=0A> aircraft, it is not possible to expli=
citly spell out all of=0A> them.=C2=A0 The precise method and hardware used=
 to accomplish=0A> it are not part of the EC2 or the instructions. The firs=
t=0A> paragraph of the installation guide does say the following:=0A> =0A> =
=0A> =0A> "Needless to say, the quality=0A> of installation is just as impo=
rtant as the quality of the=0A> hardware itself.=C2=A0 It is not practical =
to=0A> include a course on proper electrical wiring practices in=0A> these =
installation instructions, but it is imperative that=0A> proper wiring tech=
niques be employed during the installation=0A> of the EC2." =0A> =0A> =0A> =
=0A> It was my thought that avoiding the presence of loose metal=0A> object=
s inside an electrical device that your life depends=0A> on fell into the c=
ategory of=C2=A0 "needless to say".=0A> =0A> Nevertheless, a cautionary not=
e might well be worth=0A> adding.=C2=A0=C2=A0 As also stated in the first p=
aragraph of the=0A> instructions, =0A> =0A> =0A> " I want your project to=
=0A> succeed and your life to be a long and happy one.=0A> "=0A> =0A> =0A> =
=0A> All the best,=0A> Tracy Crook,=0A> =C2=A0=C2=A0 RWS=0A> =C2=A0 =0A> =
=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 2:34 AM,=0A> David Le=
onard <wdleonard@gmail.com>=0A> wrote:=0A> =0A> Boy,=C2=A0 word sure gets a=
round these=0A> days..=C2=A0 =0A> =0A> short answer... inadvertently hit co=
ld start switch while=0A> messing with GPS and flying at 1000' AGL..=C2=A0 =
not enough=0A> time to troubleshoot...=C2=A0 had to fly plane and find a pl=
ace=0A> to land.=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Both happy and appalled when the I real=
ized the problem 2=0A> minutes after the commotion stopped.=C2=A0 The tower=
 must have=0A> been plain appalled when I took off again later this=0A> aft=
ernoon.=0A> =0A> -- =0A> =0A> David Leonard=0A> =0A> =0A> Turbo Rotary RV-6=
 N4VY=0A> http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net=0A> http://RotaryRoster.net =0A> =0A=
> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 5:31 PM,=0A> Dave <david.stat=
en@gmail.com>=0A> wrote:=0A> =0A> =0A> Bill Monroe wrote:=0A> =0A> =0A> Dav=
e=E2=80=99s going to have an interesting story to tell=E2=80=A6=0A> =0A> ht=
tp://www.cbs8.com/global/story.asp?s=3D12136229=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Glad he =
landed safe..=0A> =0A> --=0A> Homepage: =C2=A0http://www.flyrotary.com/=0A>=
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