X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from rc1-smtp.comporium.net ([208.104.2.18] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.1) with ESMTP id 4084646 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 23:10:38 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=208.104.2.18; envelope-from=jewen@comporium.net Received: from rg4.comporium.net ([208.104.2.24]) by rc1-smtp.comporium.net ({6ef86d1c-fcb7-4b71-ab61-5707d6041926}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20100116041037658 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 23:10:37 -0500 X-RC-FROM: X-RC-RCPT: Received: from 67-197-214-136.ln.dyn.cm.comporium.net (HELO home01) ([67.197.214.136]) by rg4.comporium.net (MOS 3.10.7-GA FastPath queued) with SMTP id CDV26806; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 23:10:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <007301ca9661$fd1bc490$6405a8c0@home01> From: "Joe Ewen" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Taxi Testing Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 23:11:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0070_01CA9638.1432A9C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1933 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1933 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01CA9638.1432A9C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for your input Thomas. At this time I have no intention to fly = (for the taxi testing that is) or to put on the canard. Joe ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Thomas Mann=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 11:04 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Taxi Testing Just be sure and leave the canard off if you don't have the wings = on... =20 In one of the early CPs (Canard Pusher newsletter for you non-canard = types) there was a builder who had his engine mounted as well as his = canard and when he needed to talk to some other builders on the other = side of the airport, he would fire up the engine and drive it over to = the other side of the airport.=20 =20 One day during the return trip he decided to setup on the numbers and = give it a shot. It was tracking great and he was approaching rotate speed so he gave = it a little back pressure to see if the canard would come up. It did but = it rose up so high that the prop began striking the runway, The canard = would not respond to any control inputs because of the AOA it had = achieved. =20 Now the prop is hitting the pavement so hard it's causing the plane to = pull to one side. Eventually it became totally uncontrollable and left = the runway coming to rest inverted. Fortunately the tower was observing = and got him some help right away. =20 Of course the FAA had to be involved as well. It turns out that they = did not cite the pilot. =20 Drum roll please .... =20 Because there were no wings on the plane ... they determined there was = 'no intention to fly.' =20 =20 =20 From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] = On Behalf Of Joe Ewen Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 9:42 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Taxi Testing =20 For those Canard drivers out there: Does anyone know of or can think of any reason why I should not = perform some taxi testing without wings or canard in place. I would = like to trailer my 173 to the airport to run some taxi testing to record = data on my cooling system, but do not want to install the wings and = canard since I will be bringing it back home after the test. I do = realize that rudder authority would be a poor, so this would only be = done on a calm day. =20 Thanks, Joe ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01CA9638.1432A9C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for your input Thomas.  At = this time I=20 have no intention to fly (for the taxi testing that is) or to put on the = canard.
Joe
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Thomas = Mann=20
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 = 11:04=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Taxi=20 Testing

Just=20 be sure and leave the canard off if you don=92t have the wings=20 on=85..

 

In=20 one of the early CPs (Canard Pusher newsletter for you non-canard = types) there=20 was a builder who had his engine mounted as well as his canard and = when he=20 needed to talk to some other builders on the other side of the = airport, he=20 would fire up the engine and drive it over to the other side of the = airport.=20

 

One=20 day during the return trip he decided to setup on the numbers and give = it a=20 shot.

It=20 was tracking great and he was approaching rotate speed so he gave it a = little=20 back pressure to see if the canard would come up. It did but it rose = up so=20 high that the prop began striking the runway, The canard would not = respond to=20 any control inputs because of the AOA it had = achieved.

 

Now=20 the prop is hitting the pavement so hard it=92s causing the plane to = pull to one=20 side. Eventually it became totally uncontrollable and left the runway = coming=20 to rest inverted. Fortunately the tower was observing and got him some = help=20 right away.

 

Of=20 course the FAA had to be involved as well. It turns out that they did = not cite=20 the pilot.

 

Drum=20 roll please =85=85..

 

Because=20 there were no wings on the plane =85=85=85 they determined there was = =91no intention=20 to fly.=92

 

 

 

From: Rotary = motors in=20 aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Joe=20 Ewen
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 9:42 PM
To: = Rotary=20 motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Taxi=20 Testing

 

For those = Canard=20 drivers out there:

Does = anyone know of=20 or can think of any reason why I should not perform some taxi testing = without=20 wings or canard in place.  I would like to trailer my 173 to the = airport=20 to run some taxi testing to record data on my cooling system, but do = not want=20 to install the wings and canard since I will be bringing it back home = after=20 the test.  I do realize that rudder authority would be a poor, so = this=20 would only be done on a calm day.

 

Thanks,

Joe

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