X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from fed1rmmtao106.cox.net ([68.230.241.40] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3c2) with ESMTP id 3976958 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 12:04:35 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.230.241.40; envelope-from=alventures@cox.net Received: from fed1rmimpo03.cox.net ([70.169.32.75]) by fed1rmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20091115170359.YAHW21192.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 12:03:59 -0500 Received: from BigAl ([72.192.141.69]) by fed1rmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id 5V3y1d0061W2PoQ04V3yYw; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 12:03:58 -0500 X-VR-Score: 0.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=JM7lG1P98HkA:10 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=5mjRlV6LAAAA:8 a=gdFkXarC9t0vFwijcgsA:9 a=_WpUOxuusDJ2xlJCq_MA:7 a=Pd4Ze_hP-67VuliBZgBP7HZoP-QA:4 a=RRkQmeXyBBsA:10 a=54jd_EiB-BMA:10 a=JATu0hzrejUA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=dHuparDFRF4A:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 From: "Al Gietzen" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Phononic bandgap muffler Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 09:05:37 -0800 Message-ID: <8A6DCA3EA92E4508A09B51724CB722EB@BigAl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6856 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AcpltWh9z5/TYE75TjiN3/6vv1clXQAX3zqQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: Ernest; Interesting stuff. Just a guess; but it seems to me that, while 15 db = is an appreciable reduction, having that reduction only over the 8K to 12K = maybe isn't all that productive. It would reduce the 'harshness', but isn't = the greatest amplitude at lower frequency? Also, do you envision that this = can be made into a compact, workable package for aircraft application? Best, Al -----Original Message----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ernest Christley Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 9:38 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Phononic bandgap muffler Here's a question for you audiophiles on the list. How much effort is=20 10dB of muffling worth? I've expanded on my experiments with phononic bandgap filters, and I=20 think I've fairly conclusively demonstrated up to 15dB of attenutation=20 in the frequency ranges between 8kHz and 12kHz. I used the run-up video = that Mike Wills provided for us a few weeks back (thanks Mike), and I=20 was a little more methodical than last time. For those that don't remember, a phononic bandgap filter is created by=20 geometric arrangement of dissimillar materials, with the goal of=20 filtering specific vibration frequencies. It appears that 1/2" diameter = tubes, arranged in a grid with 1" centers does a nice job of attenuating = frequencies in the 8kH to 12kHz range.=20 I set up my simulated muffler...a wooden shell with PVC filter=20 elements. I stuck a couple speakers in the inlet side, and a=20 microphone on the outlet side. In this setup, there is going to be all=20 sorts of losses from the conversion from an electronic signal to sound=20 in the speaker, then conversion of sound to an electronics signal in the = microphone. Comparing the original to the recorded muffled sound, which = I did in the first experiment, is not valid. What I did this time instead, is to compare several recordings. Each=20 with one less row of filter elements than the last, until I was=20 measuring an empty box. The empty box measurement is the control that=20 lets me know if I'm doing anything with the array of tubes. What I=20 found was that each row of tubes provide a significant attenuation in=20 the frequencies between 8kHz and 12kHz. The ones that give us the=20 weed-wacker sound. I determined this by taking a time sample across=20 each of the 5 recordings and having Audacity plot the spectrum. I have an xcf file created by The Gimp ( a free image editing=20 software). The xcf format allows you to keep an image in layers. Each=20 of the plots is in a separate layer, and by playing with the opacity=20 individual layers, you can easily see where the attenuation occurs. The = file is 465kB so I can't post it to the list, but if anyone is=20 interested, I'll be happy to send it direct. I'll do a writeup with=20 links to the audio files "real soon now".=20 I have attached a flatten image showing the 0 row run, against the 4 row = run. The 0 run is the lighter purple shade. There are some some=20 frequencies where the 4 row would be louder....around 4kHz and 7kHz,=20 but I think the attenuation of those frequencies around 10kHz would be=20 most beneficial. --=20 Ernest Christley, President Ernest@TechnicalTakedown.com TechnicalTakedown, LLC www.TechnicalTakedown.com 101 Steep Bank Dr. Cary, NC 27518 (919) 741-9397