X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from web52708.mail.re2.yahoo.com ([206.190.48.231] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3c2) with SMTP id 3974065 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:55:24 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=206.190.48.231; envelope-from=squiggles@yahoo.com Received: (qmail 83296 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Nov 2009 22:54:49 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1258066489; bh=ZjsZV90ehpyGB1u2mizIrRis7iv8yCp8G5kEaX6r0p4=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FCxqZBEP1nbkqAgMRhmmuHXMK67DkB35XjXo7TFI+moCbd/Ly91NZ4DHaWEKjCBAVL7HApsc3+XVOLM68tfMZWL8olO+yEosu5GzV2u8QRPEFqDxxeyzK8ZJeBaa3vf4dxKKG6XCDT4Fzl2LNotzezsKW7tM1GfXYyq90qSCO00= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xCK5B7hxKSIsffW0ohu1GHYTElCTaXNTAzzmX6UVSGF9snGINeaPkHC9RyUQBwI/tni4SrazJIGvWzZ3+aA/xX88bpJ7eXqvbiMj0Z2sBPTM/+y+pZAxWl4eHcAq9FjT5ouM9SgAl/stA+Ts5hSn0wXzVvTQ3AJ9J6GiaFrxlZk=; Message-ID: <861743.83140.qm@web52708.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: znYEu7UVM1mNCQ8hQPltQ_j0pk19irS9qDFBs4Atx_sLTCUsMebXjchDDb8XVLp7N.tGGVp2neVmctPbBDVddNMGmmTJH0WypoqeEcmf9iHiRaAgDnIaGtO57VKCZVZYTXevd83qCBiVjXCtQOjR6_6dshShFSEkLX_ZLN6hOJSlg1RfVyLNYVLIVXieF8E6RoSQqjLQQZaCZqQsp93Z8LKbxeiAnIELedWWIB8vT_YH1FIIE_9mw2YCU5M_HrOmJ5nlJvkHMTYB3r77CGMVHJebYPxFWqrrfG41W8Wik0aRItYiUhcWtJ2urghZkwFQo3YZLTzRU73ndofzzULMdEwZUpatys1MvmfXEjgjJY7jokWYQnAGloUv_qCury3uU_fIvhV58LgyX58k1hPk8XnVMk2pztu7K_VqbdwW_y_F3Bo_8rk11tcI3JyuIFdYQ4mBljDcVenx4E02x8X.DU_Ia1zHggE.nwOC_UYZSBU..Rh3_nCCX.AUNqripEtDPi.YWhw5e8nIqJPF25Fi7RCQYsCFY0CRvkW6wuivr1lusZKUe.LyoCyDBeEaNL_FTfP3L2QTZ8Tus2y7x5OwbT6EfiI5j9XhWq6aNJ3lBXwIiEXpB.Bd6nTPpxZAcuN.IV3e1lRTVZEUAJImOrHSho8JAmp.B6H1v9FzFKsXAnWLjC1Zm9kolxzvvhOjCp80MPjh8nm47gPjGgh4uDr3Grie20yR.LSbFPJNYZmNAQXFj9RwV5cI60GNXFUyRFgZ0YPVi1ly91E_3ALZAyX8UkJ1Wiy9.K3514y9X7pIXn3TyAs6AgpS31vNRjhTI4eTpHDkI0fukqNaUme37gk- Received: from [68.142.242.111] by web52708.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:54:49 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:54:49 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: leaky water pump bolt To: Rotary motors in aircraft MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-568972760-1258066489=:83140" --0-568972760-1258066489=:83140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Engine mount point=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Nov 12, 2009, at 4:51 PM, wschertz@comcast= .net wrote:=0A=0Awhat is the purpose of the sandwich plate?=0A=0A =0A=0ABil= l Schertz=0A----- Original Message -----=0AFrom: "Scott" =0ATo: "Rotary motors in aircraft" =0ASent:= Thursday, November 12, 2009 3:33:21 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central=0ASubj= ect: [FlyRotary] Re: leaky water pump bolt=0A=0A=0AI had wantedd to be clea= r for the archives :)=0A=0AThe shims look to be .018 in thickness as unsice= ntifically measured against a feeler gauge. Then I had a better thought as= I am removing two gaskets I can use them as the shims. While no longer wi= se for sealing, they will work for shims. =0A=0AI had done a cursory straig= ht edge check with no obvious major imperfections which would have given th= e drip rate observed. There is a little roughness on the iron water pump m= ating surface but again nothing obvious. Though I am going to clean that u= p before I pull the engine off the mount and replace tomorrow. Use some ul= tra gray this time, and verify the shims and torque sequence...=0A=0AStatin= g the simple and obvious is always welcome...I've already had a few, "wait = I thought I already torqued you down" moments :)=0A=0A=0A--- On Thu, 11/12= /09, Ed Anderson wrote:=0A=0AFrom: Ed Anderson = =0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re: leaky water pump bol= t=0ATo: "Rotary motors in aircraft" =0ADate: T= hursday, November 12, 2009, 3:49 PM=0A=0AYes, Scott =E2=80=93 they do go be= tween the housing and the block =E2=80=93 if I stated otherwise, I was in e= rror. In other words, since the gasket moves the housing away from the bl= ock =E2=80=93 that part of the housing that does not have the gasket suppor= t should have the shims to provide support to the housing when you tighten = the nut down. I would say if you used a more-than-standard gasket thicknes= s-wise, then you would probably need more shims. =0A=0A =0A=0AThe only othe= r thing I can think of is to lay a flat edge around the housing and the blo= ck area to make certain both are flat. Check for nicks in either around th= e sealing area, etc. I know you probably have already done this, but doesn= =E2=80=99t hurt to mention it.=0A=0A =0A=0AWhen I use silicon sealant I put= it around all the bolts and do not use the shims.=0A=0A =0A=0AEd=0A=0A =0A= =0AEd Anderson=0A=0ARv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered=0A=0AMatthews, NC=0A=0Aeand= erson@carolina.rr.com=0A=0Ahttp://www.andersonee.com=0A=0Ahttp://www.dmack.= net/mazda/index.html=0A=0Ahttp://www.flyrotary.com/=0A=0Ahttp://members.cox= .net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW=0A=0Ahttp://www.rotaryaviation.com/= Rotorhead%20Truth.htm=0A=0AFrom: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotar= y@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Scott=0ASent: Thursday, November 12, 2009= 1:16 PM=0ATo: Rotary motors in aircraft=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re: leaky w= ater pump bolt=0A=0A =0A=0AYeah, I did install those shims. In the previous= post those would be the studs at #2 and #4. And I deduced from mazdatrix's= site they would go between the housing and the block. Not between the hous= ing and nut. Though as I am using a sandwhich plate and there are 2 gaskets= in use one between the block and the sandwhich plate, the 2nd between the = sandwhich plate and the water pump housing. So I should have used 2 shims p= er stud. What doesn't seem to fit in is the amount of seepage/ leakage that= occured. As can be seen from the YouTube video seepage only from the #3, n= o where around that hole was leaking. But with the lack of evidence to supp= ort another conclusion I'll double the shims and hope for the best. If I we= re to forgo the combo gasket smeared with silicone approach would the shims= still be required? =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A__________ Information = from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3267 (200807= 14) __________=0A=0AThe message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.=0A=0Ah= ttp://www.eset.com=0A=0A=0A=0A__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivi= rus, version of virus signature database 3267 (20080714) __________=0A=0ATh= e message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.=0A=0Ahttp://www.eset.com=0A= =0A__________________________________________________=0ADo You Yahoo!?=0ATi= red of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around =0Ahttp://mail= .yahoo.com=0A--=0AHomepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/=0AArchive and UnSub:= http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html=0A=0A=0A=0A = --0-568972760-1258066489=:83140 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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On Nov 12, 2009, at 4:51 PM, wschertz@comcast.net wrote:

what is the purpose of the sandwich plate?

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Bill Schertz
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The shims look to be .018 in thickness as unsicenti= fically measured against a feeler gauge.  Then I had a better thought = as I am removing two gaskets I can use them as the shims.  While no lo= nger wise for sealing, they will work for shims.

I had done a curso= ry straight edge check with no obvious major imperfections which would have= given the drip rate observed.  There is a little roughness on the iro= n water pump mating surface but again nothing obvious.  Though I am go= ing to clean that up before I pull the engine off the mount and replace tom= orrow.  Use some ultra gray this time, and verify the shims and torque= sequence...

Stating the simple and obvious is always welcome...I've= already had a few, "wait I thought I already torqued you down" moments&nbs= p; :)


--- On Thu, 11/12/09, Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>= ; wrote:
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From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com><= br>Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: leaky water pump bolt
To: "Rotary motors in = aircraft" <flyrotary@lanc= aironline.net>
Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 3:49 PM

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Yes, Scott =E2=80=93 they do go between = the housing and the block =E2=80=93 if I stated otherwise, I was in error.&= nbsp; In  other words, since the gasket moves the housing away from th= e block =E2=80=93 that part of the housing that does not have the gasket su= pport should have the shims to provide support to the housing when you tigh= ten the nut down.  I would say if you used a more-than-standard gasket= thickness-wise, then you would probably need more shims. 

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The only other thing I can think of is to lay a flat edge around= the housing and the block area to make certain both are flat.  Check = for nicks in either around the sealing area, etc.  I know you probably= have already done this, but doesn=E2=80=99t hurt to mention it.

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When I use silicon sealant I put it around all the bolts and do = not use the shims.

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ean= derson@carolina.rr.com

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http://www.andersonee.com

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http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html

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http://members.cox.net/roger= sda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW

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http://www.rotaryaviation.com/Rotor= head%20Truth.htm=

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Fr= om: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotar= y@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Scott
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Yeah, I did install those shims. In the previous post those would be= the studs at #2 and #4. And I deduced from mazdatrix's site they would go = between the housing and the block. Not between the housing and nut. Though = as I am using a sandwhich plate and there are 2 gaskets in use one between = the block and the sandwhich plate, the 2nd between the sandwhich plate and = the water pump housing. So I should have used 2 shims per stud. What doesn'= t seem to fit in is the amount of seepage/ leakage that occured. As can be = seen from the YouTube video seepage only from the #3, no where around that = hole was leaking. But with the lack of evidence to support another conclusi= on I'll double the shims and hope for the best. If I were to forgo the comb= o gasket smeared with silicone approach would the shims still be required? =

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