X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from web52705.mail.re2.yahoo.com ([206.190.48.228] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3c2) with SMTP id 3973707 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:19:58 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=206.190.48.228; envelope-from=squiggles@yahoo.com Received: (qmail 98295 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Nov 2009 18:19:25 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1258049965; bh=HbdH4zZccfKUqYrEXxr71EC2/qfr7/OofdOwfFP+rpU=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=WOs9KsN4/erF8azL/nszdKHBLjBMd/QHPFl1Xp4lnNVBpRuPeSMtF6MIZfdzNjeSQWBLfOSj4zjw/2cgVxh3AFPI7Jq3AjeQSJOk88I3Pr08H9J3rigXmXyKwlcqPtsfO62KjwlE69AjVAxu3odWdNwA5fnjSrj4SaDvkRgHHN0= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=4cNBSW2hUtgD4ZNRTNdDubwvOPOXM0eEHrBerrGU86ipiZA6YG/HHiEMqO0VBeOg3lcqi6kjMcn+kvCl5ECNdJHpH1ep5fkEUDjyAhzVoTOpAI3Bt1n87bOSmVe3iS4fCHZS5SkXxzjIWiRntBCIic5qJKMzfwNcjFIcL43by00=; Message-ID: <163680.97302.qm@web52705.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: nt0MT.YVM1mdJEz4p1MoDVz5D9YhL1hO5qu5DJWeH7vY7ba5mScfkbhzhWkoQOTEfK.zeOp3Uc2vS5XqCpwd2OQfRcQ_hDv_6cXXcJUXEinGP4JFNNskMnSpsOs2SamA4lZhYDMJxObwRcmH3RvF3o6TAzqXhd9Dp8nor1hozC9rDM8.xK7WPaRVh0vTN_xpLCWagFePa3fcgfm9p9SXfPe1TwTgWOrnU6G_x0Sr.6hQuBuIS6g_ltaLdYBUXbkA4QND4bvIxpZyf3klSGOYaMe468OGtagE0YD.BRye8NC49GDPeStyXjRnZHIT.KQKzbFomwjYmQTjZI7hfQRRogAQjM6k2hCnQgLPCb6YJHzvu7aujxoecHo6iuK.jM4_17mudbeVZDz1eldWFC3CcXL8PDbgb_0gZu.JIwuU9TfvXo2ocJedVpn4u_phoPiXFGZSuxWwNY5sePHtl3mYldZA5.1Zvuv.lRx_CqoE3W7.X8yNPl9uWsWTUWx3L1IFsvotYNpNqn_7iSjj9EQcwqvKmER2kmu2r9CbgbSVnzAfh9W1QX.cf5lsMCbjNLAjFWsJfscDIAmtQaoi4FpVNVfzIdoVbq5tI4JQ8R4FiyHp9kAXHzxdk7JIQPFlxNpivyQG6Z9NE3WZN7vD0gAZkJYNg4ra3OAFRXEKZ7ro0g0zStmTr0BAP8uExUPyZd9y5tj.TGK7z12pTTmp3Ey3czTLOlSjpTVil.sw3ADozHQV...H7ShRiENjedmP6zy4nIVCON0YaJosYYsJynNCeRhQD9soVk3.GAA8VitHvui9MNJjZ0TyRCRSuw0JRzbMcIW81WklOFwy Received: from [68.142.242.97] by web52705.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:19:24 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:19:24 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: thin washer?? [FlyRotary] Leaky Water Pump Bolt To: Rotary motors in aircraft MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1887762722-1258049964=:97302" --0-1887762722-1258049964=:97302 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I used blue etc silicone gasket( permatec 6b) to coat the oem gaskets then = installed.=0A=0AWould ultra gray be used in place of the oem gasket or a su= pplement like the blue rtv?=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Nov 12, 2009, at 12:45 PM, wscher= tz@comcast.net wrote:=0A=0ADid you use some 'ultra grey' gasket maker also?= =0A=0ABill Schertz=0A----- Original Message -----=0AFrom: "Ed Anderson" =0ATo: "Rotary motors in aircraft" =0ASent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 9:53:23 AM GMT -06:00 US/= Canada Central=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] thin washer?? [FlyRotary] Leaky Wate= r Pump Bolt=0A=0A=0AScott, can=E2=80=99t be certain about your year model, = but some of the older models water pump housing required that you install a= small thin gasket/washer around one of the long bolts that the water p= ump gasket did not surround.=0A =0AApparently if you did not install this w= asher, the pressure on the housing from tightening the nut on that bolt wou= ld cause the housing to warp slightly and result in leaks.=0A =0AUnfortunat= ely I can=E2=80=99t remember exactly which bolt it was =E2=80=93 except it = was one of the studs that stayed in the block when you remove the pump and = the standard water pump gasket did not go around =E2=80=93 presumably if yo= u are not using a gasket (I use silicon sealant) it shouldn=E2=80=99t matte= r. =0A =0AThat=E2=80=99s all I can think of for you to check.=0A =0AEd=0A = =0AEd Anderson=0A=0ARv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered=0A=0AMatthews, NC=0A=0Aeand= erson@carolina.rr.com=0A=0Ahttp://www.andersonee.com=0A=0Ahttp://www.dmack.= net/mazda/index.html=0A=0Ahttp://www.flyrotary.com/=0A=0Ahttp://members.cox= .net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW=0A=0Ahttp://www.rotaryaviation.com/= Rotorhead%20Truth.htm=0A=0AFrom: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotar= y@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Scott=0ASent: Thursday, November 12, 2009= 9:52 AM=0ATo: Rotary motors in aircraft=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Leaky Water= Pump Bolt=0A =0AI started filling the engine with coolant and as soon as t= he level reached bolt #3 it started to weep. Pulling the pump off the hous= ing gave no indication of why the leakage. Per the haynes manual the bolts= were tightened in the specified sequence and to 20 ft lbs. I did tighten = to 25ft lbs, but it still continued to leak. Any guidance on how much torq= ue the threads on aluminum pump housing can take?=0A=0AThe drip rate is fel= t considerable as there was no pressure( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D= 2ImqWkP8sDw ) other than 1/4" of standing fluid. =0A=0AAny thoughts? =0AI= am getting a new gasket and will try again of course.=0A =0A= =0A =0AIMG_0635.JPG=0A =0A=0A=0AIMG_0636.JPG=0A =0A=0A=0AIMG_0637.JPG=0A =0A =0A =0A=0A=0A__________ Information from ESET= NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3267 (20080714) _____= _____=0A=0AThe message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.=0A=0Ahttp://www= .eset.com=0A--=0AHomepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/=0AArchive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html=0A=0A=0A=0A = --0-1887762722-1258049964=:97302 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I used blue etc silicone gasket( perma= tec 6b) to coat the oem gaskets then installed.

Wo= uld ultra gray be used in place of the oem gasket or a supplement like the = blue rtv?



On Nov 12, 2009, at 12:45 PM, wschertz@comcast.net wrote:

Did you use some 'ultra grey' gaske= t maker also?

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The drip rate is = felt considerable as there was no pressure(  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D2ImqWkP8sD= w ) other than 1/4" of standing fluid. 

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