X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [216.240.18.37] (HELO mx2.netapp.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.16) with ESMTPS id 3842804 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 11:35:21 -0400 Received-SPF: softfail receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.240.18.37; envelope-from=echristley@nc.rr.com X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,358,1249282800"; d="scan'208";a="240459363" Received: from smtp1.corp.netapp.com ([10.57.156.124]) by mx2-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 09 Sep 2009 07:11:54 -0700 Received: from [10.62.16.84] (ernestc-laptop.hq.netapp.com [10.62.16.84]) by smtp1.corp.netapp.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/NTAP-1.6) with ESMTP id n89EBrdK006131 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 2009 07:11:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4AA7B7A8.6050609@nc.rr.com> Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 10:11:52 -0400 From: Ernest Christley Reply-To: echristley@nc.rr.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090608) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Muffling References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lynn Hanover wrote: > > Lynn, > > Some speculation going on here. When you run the exhaust thru a > turbo, will it break up the pulses enough for a fishtail to work? I'm > hoping to use a fishtail to create an augmentor out the back of my > plane. Should I reinforce the fishtail to insure rigidity? > > Bob Tilley > Albany, Ga > temporarly on loan to Baton Rouge > > I would just based on what I did to myself trying to put a form of > fishtail on my Fiat racer. Not to form a muffler but to get the > exhaust pipe under the Fender seam. So I decided that if I maintain > the cross sectional area the same as the main pipe, I should loose > nothing, flow wise. > > So I cut a length of pipe down the centerline and add triangular > pieces top and bottom, in .062" mild steel the same as the pipe. Then > I squished the opening down to 1" tall in the vise. Then three > weekends later the bottom triangle is split in the center. The top > would have failed as well but it had a bracket welded on at 90 degrees > to bolt it to the car. > > So I started to notice how others had done the same thing, and guess > what? each installation had a few virtical walls between the top and > bottom flat areas, and no cracks. Now I am smart too............ > > I would add these to you fish/mouth/tail.......... > > Lynn E. Hanover > Just a suggestion of something to try that might be easier and lighter: Put a 90 degree bend on the very last bit of that .062" mild steel. Even a 1/8" flange does an incredible job of increasing the rigidity of a section, and it moves the most common origins of stress risers (sheet edge cuts) into a much cooler and less stressful area.