X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail-fx0-f210.google.com ([209.85.220.210] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.16) with ESMTP id 3842128 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 08 Sep 2009 23:34:12 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.220.210; envelope-from=lehanover@gmail.com Received: by fxm6 with SMTP id 6so3172146fxm.19 for ; Tue, 08 Sep 2009 20:33:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=a7VqWxsgdTwn8J8ukGBsikEXMEP97CrCVWox4W91xmc=; b=YNYTeB4CRQovqbPHQagVEZgofMaIq9SnnVhYGQqOevEMjbODhcgmN8zdYI7zkcC0XL nU17vpDZ16gNxZYVe+ZBpaGb6VntY6OXZL6rAN+fuLPLWi7dBpO3ZylDwpXmGaMvGm79 39f1OBTRG6lOIwC1DoimE5+n/o17uq3Ha6TuI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=UQVDlhlUyKoQ/d+z9xowgf7g8et0Z+H1fCk+0+y/iybUO/8FKzZJVK405z7gFY5ZqE K42NX1XXoXc5PDI5VH0RqRM/qzPcHzvskYXC6lvbsu6Ssng+Nk/Qc/sIp+qOYWsaMIRr /vmTKpS8pfaHyy9+Oyfj8Fjy49oL/v9XmKjmI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.179.97 with SMTP id c33mr1614931hbg.157.1252467217321; Tue, 08 Sep 2009 20:33:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 23:33:37 -0400 Message-ID: <1ab24f410909082033q64702c81v2e658fb72aeddac8@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Muffling From: Lynn Hanover To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f7d62294d22104731cbfa0 --001485f7d62294d22104731cbfa0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Lynn, Some speculation going on here. When you run the exhaust thru a turbo, will it break up the pulses enough for a fishtail to work? I'm hoping to use a fishtail to create an augmentor out the back of my plane. Should I reinforce the fishtail to insure rigidity? Bob Tilley Albany, Ga temporarly on loan to Baton Rouge I would just based on what I did to myself trying to put a form of fishtail on my Fiat racer. Not to form a muffler but to get the exhaust pipe under the Fender seam. So I decided that if I maintain the cross sectional area the same as the main pipe, I should loose nothing, flow wise. So I cut a length of pipe down the centerline and add triangular pieces top and bottom, in .062" mild steel the same as the pipe. Then I squished the opening down to 1" tall in the vise. Then three weekends later the bottom triangle is split in the center. The top would have failed as well but it had a bracket welded on at 90 degrees to bolt it to the car. So I started to notice how others had done the same thing, and guess what? each installation had a few virtical walls between the top and bottom flat areas, and no cracks. Now I am smart too............ I would add these to you fish/mouth/tail.......... Lynn E. Hanover --001485f7d62294d22104731cbfa0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Lynn,

Some speculation going on here.=A0 When you run the exhaust thru a turbo= , will it break up the pulses enough for a fishtail to work? I'm hoping= to use a fishtail to create an augmentor out the back of my plane. Should = I reinforce the fishtail to insure rigidity?

Bob Tilley
Albany, Ga
temporarly on loan to Baton Rouge
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= I would just based on what I did to myself trying to put a form of fishtail= on my Fiat racer. Not to form a muffler but to get the exhaust pipe under = the Fender seam. So I decided that if I maintain the cross sectional area t= he same as the main pipe, I should loose nothing, flow wise.
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So I cut a length of pipe down the centerline and add triangular pie= ces top and bottom, in .062" mild steel the same as the pipe. Then I s= quished the opening down to 1" tall in the vise. Then three weekends l= ater the bottom triangle is split in the center. The top would have failed = as well but it had a bracket welded on at 90 degrees to bolt it to the car.=
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So I started to notice how others had done the same thing, and guess= what? each installation had=A0 a few virtical walls between the top and bo= ttom flat areas, and no cracks. Now I am smart too............
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I = would add these to you fish/mouth/tail..........
=A0
Lynn E. Hanover

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