X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from fed1rmmtao102.cox.net ([68.230.241.44] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.16) with ESMTP id 3841984 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 08 Sep 2009 21:52:52 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.230.241.44; envelope-from=rv-4mike@cox.net Received: from fed1rmimpo03.cox.net ([70.169.32.75]) by fed1rmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20090909015219.WFMO12000.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Tue, 8 Sep 2009 21:52:19 -0400 Received: from wills ([68.105.80.138]) by fed1rmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id eRsF1c0012z3ATG04RsH36; Tue, 08 Sep 2009 21:52:18 -0400 X-VR-Score: 0.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=KHg4-D1NC_gA:10 a=yfh0b8K4AAAA:8 a=7g1VtSJxAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=ZblPOZoH4325Eiqf3QgA:9 a=QybJNFc3t2pDvPRaqkwA:7 a=14m8ThWoRzMsGvQpMBRiDIfhpzgA:4 a=7PO7wlESM_wA:10 a=WrMfpB0aAAAA:8 a=4PR2P7QzAAAA:8 a=NdulZb-JO7ZtR5nl2akA:9 a=vNoMQ-xQZo55Tx0XLU8A:7 a=Wd813iVieuWhvt1Y0H7lDJNErKYA:4 a=1Erk4P5SMDsA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=djSSOgbfo6cA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <901C74277813444D8113FBD1B2C2D20C@wills> From: "Mike Wills" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] The "other list" Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 18:52:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0056_01CA30B5.7B7E0270" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01CA30B5.7B7E0270 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was on both lists for several years. Left both when I changed jobs. = Came back to this one several years laterwhen I was getting close to = first flight and working through the tuning issues. Didnt bother = rejoining the other one. Like John said, this list is for the doers, = that one for the guys with unproven theories. PL is clearly a smart guy. If you can get past the ego. I've gotten some = valuable input from him in the past. You just need to use your own brain = and filter all the input. I did get a nice private email from him = congratulating me on my first flight back in February. Somebody here = must have let him know it happened. Mike Wills RV-4 N144MW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Slade=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 3:34 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] The "other list" You're welcome Bernie. The archives of this list will attest to = similar sentiments by others over the years. In fact I think this list = started because plugs up couldn't be done, even though Ed was flying = plugs up :) Rather than suffer the ego and try to separate wheat from chaff (or = bias) in every post, as Chris apparently still does, I resigned from the = "other" list many years ago - probably just before I was kicked out. :) = I was witness to some very rude heckling by PL of an excellent = presentation from Ed Anderson at Shady Bend a few years ago. That, heavy = post moderation - even alteration, and evidence of flying electric = water pumps that "can't work" plus other incorrect info pretty much = killed my interest in PL theories.=20 It seems that not much has changed over there, including the failure = of the list (or should I call it a blog) owner to actually FLY anything = he spouts about. Here you tend to find "doers" rather than "talkers" Regards, John Berniehb7448@wmconnect.com wrote:=20 Thank you, John. If not for you and bbradburry speaking up, I would = have continued thinking I was the only one with such "BAAAD" thoughts. = "Some of the information he adamantly spouts has been proved = entirely wrong, yet he defends it fervently in the face of facts." I = had my suspicions, but not the experience to be sure. "information = tainted with falsehood devalues all the other information." I have = to rethink some things now that others offered but got shot down in = flames by this guy. Fatal flaw if you can only build your own = self-esteem by devaluing or destroying the self-esteem of others.=20 When I get mad, sometimes I can't present things properly, so thanks = for helping me with the clarification I needed. 'Nuff said, back to = enjoying what we love to do on this list, and enjoying each others' = interests. Bernie.=20 -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01CA30B5.7B7E0270 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I was on both lists for several years. = Left both=20 when I changed jobs. Came back to this one several years laterwhen I was = getting=20 close to first flight and working through the tuning issues. Didnt = bother=20 rejoining the other one. Like John said, this list is for the doers, = that one=20 for the guys with unproven theories.
 
PL is clearly a smart guy. If you can = get past the=20 ego. I've gotten some valuable input from him in the past. You just need = to use=20 your own brain and filter all the input. I did get a nice private email = from him=20 congratulating me on my first flight back in February. Somebody here = must have=20 let him know it happened.
 
Mike Wills
RV-4 N144MW
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 John Slade
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, = 2009 3:34=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] The "other = list"

You're welcome Bernie. The archives of this list will = attest to=20 similar sentiments by others over the years. In fact I think this list = started=20 because plugs up couldn't be done, even though Ed was flying plugs up=20 :)

Rather than suffer the ego and try to separate wheat from = chaff (or=20 bias) in every post, as Chris apparently still does, I resigned from = the=20 "other" list many years ago - probably just before I was kicked out. = :) I was=20 witness to some very rude heckling by PL of an excellent presentation = from Ed=20 Anderson at Shady Bend a few years ago. That, heavy post moderation - = even=20 alteration,  and evidence of flying electric water pumps that = "can't=20 work" plus other incorrect info pretty much killed my interest in PL = theories.=20

It seems that not much has changed over there, including the = failure=20 of the list (or should I call it a blog) owner to actually FLY = anything he=20 spouts about.

Here you tend to find "doers" rather than=20 "talkers"
Regards,
John

Berniehb7448@wmconnect.com= wrote:=20
Thank you, John. = If not for=20 you and bbradburry speaking up, I would have continued thinking I = was the=20 only one with such "BAAAD" thoughts.=20        "Some of the information = he=20 adamantly spouts has been proved entirely wrong, yet he defends it = fervently=20 in the face of facts."     I had my suspicions, = but not=20 the experience to be sure.     "information = tainted with=20 falsehood devalues all the other information."=20      I have to rethink some things now that = others=20 offered but got shot down in flames by this guy. Fatal flaw if you = can only=20 build your own self-esteem by devaluing or destroying the = self-esteem of=20 others.
When I get mad, sometimes I can't present things = properly, so=20 thanks for helping me with the clarification I needed. 'Nuff said, = back to=20 enjoying what we love to do on this list, and enjoying each others'=20 interests.     Bernie. = 

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