X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from sccmmhc92.asp.att.net ([204.127.203.212] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.16) with ESMTP id 3841841 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 08 Sep 2009 20:16:40 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=204.127.203.212; envelope-from=btilley@mchsi.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; q=dns/txt; d=mchsi.com; s=dkim01; i=btilley@mchsi.com; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1252455402; h=In-Reply-To:Message-Id:Date:Subject:To:From; bh= z8omjRufV1WfjiQp5248ohkC70OQh1EgiOYy70XaQD4=; b=gbvAypSUoZQ2HnQ1G7r fBL3yHFhRRnCtM5UadwlT2GnSNW1Kd2DVb3u7PV/x2h+BUPoJWgzYnSqHdgZ8R13iSA == Received: from sccqwbc18 (scommcenter18.asp.att.net[204.127.203.180]) by mchsi.com (sccmmhc92) with SMTP id <20090909001556m9200r6meqe>; Wed, 9 Sep 2009 00:16:06 +0000 Received: from [74.248.112.245] by sccqwbc18; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 00:15:56 +0000 From: btilley@mchsi.com To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Muffling Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 00:15:56 +0000 Message-Id: <090920090015.16865.4AA6F3BB000B9B63000041E1223045151403010CD2079C080C03BF970A0404079B0D@mchsi.com> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Mar 2 2009) X-Authenticated-Sender: YnRpbGxleUBtY2hzaS5jb20= Lynn, Some speculation going on here. When you run the exhaust thru a turbo, will it break up the pulses enough for a fishtail to work? I'm hoping to use a fishtail to create an augmentor out the back of my plane. Should I reinforce the fishtail to insure rigidity? Bob Tilley Albany, Ga temporarly on loan to Baton Rouge -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Lynn Hanover > > The fish tail muffler has been in service for years on motorcycles and other > machines. > > Its poor service life behind a rotary is due to the shock wave dropping to > subsonic by applying its energy to the flat sides of the design. It is both > a rflective and an impinging design. > > If saw cuts are made into the long axis of the fish tail shape and bits of > metal are welded in place to prevent the flexing (and fatigue death) of the > pieces, this design might be found quite effective. > > Years ago I tried one of the big Suitcase Flowmaster mufflers on the racer. > A reflective design and very effective. In one session of 45 minutes, all of > the baffles were hammered loose and piled up at the exit pipe and the sides > of the muffler swelled up like a giant pillow. The reflective design was > changed to an impinging design. I was far from home at Sebring Florida so I > cut open the Flowmaster and flatened the sides. I welded the baffles back in > place with more than a spot weld here and there. I drilled through both > sides behind each baffle and installed solid 1/4" rods to keep the flat > sides from spreading open again. > > I moved it to the very rear of the body where the heat load would be > reduced. > > That muffler lasted the rest of the season. It was sinfully heavy and really > too big for anything but a big GM car, but it worked great on the rotary. > > The Spintech or similar I think will fill the bill. More likely a > combination of two styles, or one style behind another. Any system that does > not include equal length headers leave a bunch of HP on the table. > > Lynn E. Hanover