Sizing a turbocharger installation by
careful selection of a/r (area/radius ratio of the turbine scroll) is certainly
a valid way to control your boost as long as you are aware of the limitations
and your flight operation regime.
Like most things in this hobby it’s
about compromise. You can have greater simplicity or perhaps less
complexity with certain approaches, but you frequently trade off some other
feature or benefit.
You can fly a turbo without a wastegate or
other explicit type of boost control by carefully selecting the a/r size of
your turbine housing and/or controlling your engine rpm. However, as
mentioned above you will give up some features.
First if you use max engine power for take
off at sea level then that will create the maximum air mass flow through your
installation. IF you size the a/r of your turbo to control boost (instead
of using some other type of operated boost controller) then you will need
to size it so you don’t blow your engine at max power take off at sea
level. So that tells you you’re a/r is going to have to be
considerably larger than a turbo which uses some sort of boost control to
prevent boosting beyond your limit. As you increase your altitude, the
turbine will need to spend the compressor faster to maintain the same gauge
boost – with a large a/r that permits your engine to survive a sea level
max power take off - it simply won’t be able to have full utilization
of the exhaust gas energy to give you as much boost at altitude.
Now the advantage of a large a/r (in
my opinion) is that instead of getting lots of boost at lower rpm and then
having to release exhaust gas through a gate (or some other method of control)
at higher rpm to prevent blowing the engine, you make your power and boost at
higher engine rpm. So instead of a kick in the seat of the pants on take
off, you will simply find you produce more power at altitude and the high end
of your rpm range.
There are other advantages of a large a/r
– one is that there is less obstruction to exhaust flow when you are not
under boost, there is less exhaust back pressure because the flow is less
restricted and of course it can be lighter without a wastegate.
So it is certainly possible, but you are
going to have to experimental determine what size a/r turbine housing will do
the job for you. So I would buy my turbo from a company which would allow
me to exchange the turbine housing (for different a/r) either free of charge or
a modest exchange fee – because unless somebody has already done this,
you will probably have to try two or three different a/r turbine housings to
get the correct one.
However, you indicated you wanted great
short field performance on take off and similar performance at 18,000 feet –
I just don’t believe you are going to find any single a/r that will fit
those conditions. You can choose one or the other and get what you want,
but it doubtful you’ll get what you want at both ends of the spectrum
without some sort of boost controller.
I have no experience turbocharging
aircraft although I have studied it quite a bit – but, I have scratch
build turbocharger systems for cars.
Good luck on your decision.
Ed
From: Rotary motors in aircraft
[mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On
Behalf Of shipchief@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009
1:07 PM
To: Rotary
motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Regarding
Scott Emery's turbo manifold
I understand your position, please understand mine;
I don't want anything near 'maximum boost'. I'm willing to limit the
turbochargers ability to make boost, by installing a turbine housing that is
open enough to be in a perpetual bypass mode. I'm looking for a very modest
increase in power, so I do not want a highly stressed turbine. I don't have an
instrument rating, so I won't be flying much above 18,000 ft. Van designed the
RV-8 airframe for 200 HP, and Tracy
rated my gearbox at 200 HP as well. I am working toward a ballanced aircraft
where all the systems meet the same performance point, which is flight in the
120 to 222 MPH range. I fly in Washington,
with regular flights over the Cascade mountain range, and over water to the San Juan
Islands. I
seek good short field performance, and a substantial climb rate. After that I
seek a strong cruise for 1 to 2 hours in the 7,000 to 12,000 ft zone followed
by rapid decent without regard to shock cooling.
I'm not sure about this following point, but I am hoping to be able to
lean out at cruise with open throttle to control turbo boost. It depends on
many ballanced factors, but turbos are controlled by heat input. A bypass
literally bypasses a portion of the engine exhaust heat around the turbine. The
rotary engine's ability to run lean of peak has a potential application here.
Finally, I do have a plan
for a waste gate if it turns out I need one. I'm just not willing to add stuff
to my plane until I have a demonstrated need for it. If that occurs, I'll post
my findings and you will be vindicated.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rogers, Bob J. <BRogers@FDIC.gov>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
<flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Tue, Sep 8, 2009 9:14 am
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Regarding Scott Emery's turbo manifold
I recommend that you get the book Maximum
Boost by Corky Bell if you want to know all about turbochargers, including
wastegates.
You really need a wastegate and it is
external to the TO4. The wastegate should be mounted in the exhaust manifold
before the flow gets to the turbo. It controls the exhaust pressure and,
when necessary, allows exhaust to bypass the turbo to control the amount of
boost. The pop-off valve is on the intake side and serves primarily to protect
from over pressuring the system when you rapidly close the throttle. This
should not happen in an airplane, but it does not hurt to have one (other than
extra cost and slight extra weight).
From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Chris Barber
Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009
8:06 PM
To: Rotary
motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Regarding
Scott Emery's turbo manifold
It looks great. It is continuing my motivation to
pursue the turbo. I also have the Conversions Concepts mount. I
too will likely have to fabricate - read that as have fabricated since,
contrary to my manly man status :-), I know not how to weld :-(
- my turbo manifold. I like how clean and simple yours is.
I am trying to decide the best position for it. The
current extension that I have on my engine - in order to clear the Mistral
Injectors location puts my aftermarket turbo manifold perilously close to my
aileron control linkage (about 3/4 of an inch, or so). Also, it is right
up on the top of the cowling.
My question to you is, I did not notice a waste gate
mounting place on your turbo exhaust manifold. Both my aftermarket
manifolds have a place to mount a waste gate. Did I miss it, is the
wastage internal to the turbo? which I think is how Mazda did it, but figured
this was not the case with the larger T04's we seem to be using). Where
might I add one to a manifold I would have made. Would the position be secondary
to just putting it in the place with most clearance?
While I have learned a great deal about how turbo's work, I
am far from versed enough yet. Is there a conventional wisdom as to when
to use a waste gate. I thought they were standard and the primary means
to control boost, along with a pop off valve (if that is the correct term and
idea?)
Advice and insight is sought and appreciated.
Thanks in advance guys and gals.
Cpl. Christopher Barber, JD
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