X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail-fx0-f221.google.com ([209.85.220.221] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.16) with ESMTP id 3813232 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 14 Aug 2009 11:16:59 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.220.221; envelope-from=msteitle@gmail.com Received: by fxm21 with SMTP id 21so1294258fxm.3 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2009 08:16:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=N14TG6uVyb2CybZLewwOjTgHyU7iUEpeT1YW3Rhw4Bg=; b=eoVY6w8RfNQlnGjfUvsYH9FHuq1D+bISK2k6P7X37fWS6Tpx1FVyoLDgzoCguuaIqO qbDpdXrADIomU+XmAE1mkrW+nMjKHoVqYMDaScQoWhtZ/Ddxl26FN8noo9zpEZNijgVS TLNFkr+bYbnzvVBFBAn5c5eS/BiYoesj+Ft5o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=P/Ud9g6ENIPigygyIsrEw8tlJZP+AB+agGbKQlAvFG7aricZdaod248RMuObxRb9G+ /s1w1/+q4HXP4JaW9uwrWxdzpk9E/575QZmCICmi3BiVNNpahHZobdWlm/e2v5E2jFYG c4I9fZMy0/vjVROHbO3PfFd+v+g+epKEGZQ8M= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.98.13 with SMTP id o13mr1243153bkn.80.1250262978665; Fri, 14 Aug 2009 08:16:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 10:16:18 -0500 Message-ID: <5cf132c0908140816v5160c589ge356213741a904e1@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Earls Performance Oil Coolers From: Mark Steitle To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f85bb6b81e5f04711b88b9 --001485f85bb6b81e5f04711b88b9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jeff, Did you notice that it is a dual-pass cooler? Works out about the same as an RX-7 cooler. You can use the 3rd port for whatever you want...drain, temp sensor, feed for gearbox, etc. You may be able to get one with -10 ports, that's what mine has. The passages have internal fins to increase efficiency. The only downside I can see is the weight. Mark On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 7:39 AM, Jeff Whaley wrote: > Hi Mark, that=92s a nice looking cooler of similar construction and tota= l > surface area to the stock Mazda, but brings more questions. > > What is the 3rd (female) port for? =96 a drain? > > I don=92t see a thermostat - have you located one somewhere else, or igno= red > that feature? > > I guess this is the only oil cooler in your installation =96 where did yo= u > locate it, draw air from, etc? =96 any photos? > > The connectors are AN-12 =96 my engine is adapted for AN-10, this complic= ates > things a bit =85 mainly $150 worth of hose, adaptors and fittings. > > Jeff. > > > > *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] *O= n > Behalf Of *Mark Steitle > *Sent:* Thursday, August 13, 2009 6:55 PM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Earls Performance Oil Coolers > > > > Jeff, > > > > I notice that Fluidyne makes different types. The type I used is shown > here... http://www.summitracing.com/parts/FLD-DB-30417/?image=3Dlarge > > > > Mark > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Jeff Whaley wrote= : > > Thanks Mark, checked out Fluidyne; they=92re available through Summit Rac= ing > =85 I don=92t see any difference between them and Earl=92s, except earl= =92s has more > input/output connector options. Btw, I am being cautious; that=92s why t= he > post for previous experience; at the moment I=92m looking for options. > > Jeff > > > > *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] *O= n > Behalf Of *Mark Steitle > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 12, 2009 3:39 PM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Earls Performance Oil Coolers > > > > Jeff, > > > > Be very careful on selecting an oil cooler. A few years back, one builde= r > had two in-flight oil cooler failures... not good. Maybe someone recalls > the brand. Also, be sure to pressure test whatever you choose. > > > > Someone tried using an a/c evaporator for an oil cooler and it > failed within a few hours resulting in a forced landing at an air > force base. > > > > I went with a Fluidyne cooler, used by the NASCAR folks. > > > > Mark S. > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Al Gietzen wrote: > > No experience with Earl=92s version; but it appears to be the same as the > Setrab (copy, made by?), which has a good reputation. > > > > Al > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] *O= n > Behalf Of *Jeff Whaley > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:29 AM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Earls Performance Oil Coolers > > > > Does anyone have experience will Earl=92s =93Temp-A-Cure=94 oil coolers w= ith a > 13B rotary? > > http://www.anplumbing.com/shop/index.php?shop=3DAccessories&dept=3DOil!_C= ooler > > or > > http://www.holley.com/types/Temp-A-Cure%20Oil%20Coolers.asp > > > > Earl=92s quoted specs: > > Features > > =B7 Manufactured in the U.S.A from aircraft spec aluminum alloy, > using the latest vacuum brazing technology. > > =B7 Corrugated screen internal turbulator plates increase both > thermal efficiency and mechanical strength resulting in the most efficien= t, > smallest and lightest practical package. > > =B7 Manufactured from thin aluminum plates for the fastest possibl= e > heat transfer. > > =B7 Inlet and outlet fittings o-ring to the top plate assembly. > > =B7 Designed for the range of oil flows and air speeds encountered= in > high performance automobiles. > > =B7 Available in three widths with inlet and outlet fittings male = AN. > > > =B7 Every cooler is pressure checked to 175 psi. Periodic samples = are > burst tested to 350 psi. > > Jeff > > > > > --001485f85bb6b81e5f04711b88b9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jeff,
=A0
Did you notice that it is a dual-pass cooler?=A0=A0Works out about the= same as an RX-7 cooler.=A0 You can use the 3rd port for whatever you want.= ..drain,=A0temp sensor, feed for gearbox, etc.=A0 You may be able to get on= e with -10 ports, that's what mine has.=A0 The=A0passages have internal= fins to increase efficiency.=A0 The only downside I can see is the weight.= =A0=A0
=A0
Mark=A0

On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 7:39 AM, Jeff Whaley <jwhaley@datacast= .com> wrote:

Hi Mark, that=92s a nice= looking cooler of similar construction and total surface area to the stock= Mazda, but brings more questions.

What is the 3rd (female) port for? =96 a drain?

I don=92t see a thermost= at - have you located one somewhere else, or ignored that feature?

I guess this is the only= oil cooler in your installation =96 where did you locate it, draw air from= , etc? =96 any photos?

The connectors are AN-12= =96 my engine is adapted for AN-10, this complicates things a bit =A0=85 m= ainly $150 worth of hose, adaptors and fittings.

=A0Jeff.

=A0

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On = Behalf Of Mark Steitle
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 6:55 PM
To: Rotary motors = in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Earls Performance Oil Cooler= s

=A0

Jeff,

=A0

I notice that Fluidyne makes different types.=A0 The type I used is show= n here... http://www.summitracing.com/parts/FLD-DB-30417/= ?image=3Dlarge

=A0

Mark

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Jeff Whaley <jwhaley@datacast.com> wrote:

Thanks Mark, checked out= Fluidyne; they=92re available through Summit Racing =85 I don=92t see any = difference between them and Earl=92s, except earl=92s has more input/output= connector options. =A0Btw, I am being cautious; that=92s why the post for = previous experience; at the moment I=92m looking for options.

Jeff

=A0

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On = Behalf Of Mark Steitle
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 3:39 PM
To: Rotary motors= in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Earls Performance Oil Coole= rs

=A0

Jeff,

=A0

Be very careful on selecting an oil cooler.=A0 A few years back, one bui= lder had two in-flight oil cooler failures... not good.=A0=A0Maybe someone= =A0recalls the brand.=A0 Also, be sure to pressure test whatever you choose= .=A0=A0

=A0

Someone=A0tried using an a/c evaporator for an oil cooler and it failed= =A0within a few hours resulting in a forced landing at an air force=A0base.= =A0=A0

=A0

I went with a Fluidyne cooler, used by the NASCAR folks.=A0

=A0

Mark S.=A0

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Al Gietzen <ALVentures@cox.net> wrote:

No experience with Earl=92s= version; but it appears to be the same = as the Setrab (copy, made by?), which has a good reputation.

=A0

Al

=A0

-----Origin= al Message-----
From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancair= online.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Whaley
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:29 AM
To: Rotary motors= in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Earls Performance Oil Coolers

=A0<= /p>

Does anyone= have experience will Earl=92s =93Temp-A-Cure=94 oil coolers with a 13B rot= ary?

http://www.anplumbing.com/shop/index.php?shop=3D= Accessories&dept=3DOil!_Cooler

or

http://www.holley.com/types/Temp-A-Cure%20Oil%20Coolers.asp<= /p>

=A0<= /p>

Earl=92s qu= oted specs:

Features

=B7=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Manufactured in the U.S.A from = aircraft spec aluminum alloy, using the latest vacuum brazing technology. <= /p>

=B7=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Corrugated screen internal turb= ulator plates increase both thermal efficiency and mechanical strength resu= lting in the most efficient, smallest and lightest practical package.

=B7=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Manufactured from thin aluminum= plates for the fastest possible heat transfer.

=B7=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Inlet and outlet fittings o-rin= g to the top plate assembly.

=B7=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Designed for the range of oil f= lows and air speeds encountered in high performance automobiles.

=B7=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Available in three widths with = inlet and outlet fittings male AN.

=B7=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Every cooler is pressure checke= d to 175 psi. Periodic samples are burst tested to 350 psi.

Jeff

=A0

=A0


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