X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from host.roblinphoto.com ([72.52.218.78] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.14) with ESMTPS id 3756318 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:01:39 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=72.52.218.78; envelope-from=bob@bob-white.com Received: from c-68-35-128-192.hsd1.nm.comcast.net ([68.35.128.192]:60743 helo=quail) by host.roblinphoto.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MQUW8-00041S-99 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 17:01:04 -0600 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 17:01:01 -0600 From: Bob White To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] cold switch and injector backup mode Message-Id: <20090713170101.6efc87a2.bob@bob-white.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.6.0 (GTK+ 2.14.4; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host.roblinphoto.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lancaironline.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - bob-white.com Hi Steve, Thanks for checking that out. That's pretty much what I though it should do as needing to know whether the injectors are powered or not would be more complicated. Speaking of your data logger, are you selling a info/design CD yet? I would like to build on for use in my Alpine installation. I used a video camera for data capture in the BD-4 but had to remember to push the button to go to different screens to get all the data. Bob W. On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:24:14 -0600 sboese wrote: > This weekend I had a chance to make some observations concerning the > previous discussion on the use of the cold switch and the injector backup > mode on my EC2 used with a 13B. > > > > When idling, turning on the cold switch results in all four injectors > delivering fuel at the pulse width that was used by the primary injectors > before the cold switch was turned on. > > > > When idling, turning on the cold switch results in the staging data bit > changing from indicating operation at MAP below the staging threshold to > operation above the staging threshold even though the MAP is very low. > > > > With the cold switch on, gradually increasing MAP results in a gradually > increasing injector pulse width from idle to full throttle with no > discontinuity when the staging threshold is crossed. > > > > Turning off the power to either the primary or secondary injectors has no > effect on the pulse width applied to the injectors or the status of the > staging data bit. > > > > Based on the above observations, it appears that the EC2 does not need to > know whether or not power is being sent to the injectors. Regardless of the > MAP at the time, turning on the cold switch results in the EC2 operating > with all four injectors as if the MAP was above the staging threshold but > with a pulse width appropriate for only two injectors being used. > > > > My statements below concerning the cold switch position appear to be in > error. The position of the Cold Switch is not one of the things contained > in the data log captured from the EC2 so that piece of data was from my > memory which is poor at best. Sorry Bob. > > > > I probably should have maintained the "Avoid reading.." subject line. > > > > Steve Boese > > > > > > > From: > > Steven Boese > > > Subject: > > RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Below staging > > > Date: > > Mon, 6 Jul 2009 00:24:28 -0600 > > > To: > > "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" > > Message > Header > > Undecoded > Message > > > > Bob, > > In contrast to when the primary injector power is off, when the > secondary injectors are turned off and the cold switch on, the EC2 > indicates staging is taking place normally at the staging threshold, in > my case at about 20 inches MAP. The engine doesn't go lean after > staging is indicated, however. When idling with the secondary injectors > turned off and the cold switch on, the EC2 indicates no staging has > taken place. Of course, what the EC2's staging data bit is telling the > outside world and what The EC2 is actually doing may be two different > things. > > Steve Boese > > > > -- N93BD - Rotary Powered BD-4 - http://www.bob-white.com 3.8 Hours Total Time and holding Cables for your rotary installation - http://roblinstores.com/