X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from fmailhost05.isp.att.net ([207.115.11.55] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.14) with ESMTP id 3756289 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:34:46 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=207.115.11.55; envelope-from=keltro@att.net DKIM-Signature: v=1; q=dns/txt; d=att.net; s=dkim01; i=keltro@att.net; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1247524487; h=Content-Type: MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:Date:Subject:To:From; bh=TTKEvh CJT3haAyj3EGIE5ymsEFC2KR2sMekMPmHaOUA=; b=mtewpHBZ4k1HYY3JZLwDTp9K5 lPgndYrLLIwQxVP25aWm4ow5yUffP+x5QdKXdVqyJ5SlOtla1G24vLrePj6Bw== Received: from fwebmail09.isp.att.net ([207.115.11.159]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc05) with SMTP id <20090713223411H05003teehe>; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:34:11 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.115.11.159] Received: from [64.250.206.138] by fwebmail09.isp.att.net; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:34:11 +0000 From: "Kelly Troyer" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Re: INJECTION OIL IN FUEL Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:34:11 +0000 Message-Id: <071320092234.3786.4A5BB6630007F02400000ECA22218675169B0A02D29B9B0EBF019D9B040A05@att.net> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Mar 2 2009) X-Authenticated-Sender: a2VsdHJvQGF0dC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_3786_1247524451_0" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_3786_1247524451_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To Mark Steitle, My previous post reminded me that you are flying with the "TES" (Teflon Encapsulated Silicone) "O" rings in your 20B rotor oil seals.............Made me wonder how much 2 cycle oil per gallon of fuel you are using and how much is getting into your sump??............... -- Kelly Troyer "Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 "Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold -------------- Original message from "Kelly Troyer" : -------------- Group, One other opinion on this subject............The condition of the rotor oil side seals and their respective "O" rings probably is a factor (along with the amount of 2 cycle oil used per gal of fuel) that determines how much 2 cycle oil ends up in the sump...........These seals essentially scrape the sides of the rotors and if the seals are worn past maximum or the "O" rings are heat hardened they will let more fuel mix oil past them into the sump............IMHO -- Kelly Troyer "Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 "Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold -------------- Original message from "Ed Anderson" : -------------- > Yvon, I don't know the minimum, but I used to have the same problem. I > would have to drain 1/2 cup of crankcase oil after about 10 hours of flight. > So I started reducing the amount of 2 cycle oil. I have flow for the last > three years mixing 3/4 oz of 2-cycle oil to one gallon (US) of fuel with no > apparent ill effects on the engine and I am no longer accumulating 2 cycle > oil in the oil pan. > > Ed Anderson > > Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered > > Matthews, NC > > eanderson@carolina.rr.com > > http://www.andersonee.com > > http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html > > http://www.flyrotary.com/ > > http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW > > http://www.rotaryaviation.com/Rotorhead%20Truth.htm > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On > Behalf Of Yvon Cournoyer > Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 11:29 AM > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Subject: [FlyRotary] INJECTION OIL IN FUEL > > My engine is a 1986 13B with 88 hrs since remanufacture. > I fly a Zenair Zenith with a cogbelt PSRU and a Warp Drive 3-blades prop > and this engine never runs above 5700 rpm > When I installed this engine in my Zenith I removed the metering oil > pump and have been using two stroke injection oil mixed in the > automobile fuel ( 87 octane gasoline) > At first I used a volume mix of 128:1 gas to oil and soon noticed an > increase of engine lubricating oil volume in the oil pan > I have gradually reduced the volume mix of gas to oil to 140:1 but there > is still a slight increase of engine lubricating oil in the pan. > Also a local mechanic has mentionned that the two stroke injection oil > is degrading the 20W-50 engine oil. > How much can I reduce the volume mix of gas to oil ? > Please advise > Yvon > > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 3267 (20080714) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 3267 (20080714) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_3786_1247524451_0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_3786_1247524451_1" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_3786_1247524451_1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
To Mark Steitle,
       My previous post reminded me that= you are flying with the "TES" (Teflon Encapsulated Silicone)
"O" rings in your 20B rotor oil seals.............Made me wonder how m= uch 2 cycle oil per gallon of
fuel you are using and how much is getting into your sump??...........= ....
--
Kelly Troyer
"Dyke Delta"_1= 3B ROTARY Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifol= d



 
-------------- Original message from "Kelly Troyer" <kelt= ro@att.net>: --------------

Group,
    One other opinion on this subject............The co= ndition of the rotor oil side seals and their
respective "O" rings probably is a factor (along with the amount of 2 = cycle oil used per gal of
fuel) that determines how much 2 cycle oil ends up in the sump........= ...These seals essentially
scrape the sides of the rotors and if the seals are worn past maximum = or the "O" rings are
heat hardened they will let more fuel mix oil past them into the sump.= ...........IMHO
--
Kelly Troyer
"Dyke Delta"_1= 3B ROTARY Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifol= d



 
-------------- Original message from "Ed Anderson" <eande= rson@carolina.rr.com>: --------------


> Yvon, I don't kno= w the minimum, but I used to have the same problem. I
> would have t= o drain 1/2 cup of crankcase oil after about 10 hours of flight.
> S= o I started reducing the amount of 2 cycle oil. I have flow for the last > three years mixing 3/4 oz of 2-cycle oil to one gallon (US) of fuel = with no
> apparent ill effects on the engine and I am no longer accu= mulating 2 cycle
> oil in the oil pan.
>
> Ed Anderson=
>
> Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
>
> Matthews, = NC
>
> eanderson@carolina.rr.com
>
> http://www= .andersonee.com
>
> http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html >
> http://www.flyrotary.com/
>
> http://members.c= ox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
>
> http://www.rota= ryaviation.com/Rotorhead%20Truth.htm
>
>
> -----Origin= al Message-----
> From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@= lancaironline.net] On
> Behalf Of Yvon Cournoyer
> Sent: Frid= ay, July 03, 2009 11:29 AM
> To: Rotary motors in aircraft
> = Subject: [FlyRotary] INJECTION OIL IN FUEL
>
> My engine is a= 1986 13B with 88 hrs since remanufacture.
> I fly a Zenair Zenith w= ith a cogbelt PSRU and a Warp Drive 3-blades prop
> and this engine = never runs above 5700 rpm
> When I installed this engine in my Zenit= h I removed the metering oil
> pump and have been using two stroke i= njection oil mixed in the
> automobile fuel ( 87 octane gasoline) > At first I used a volume mix of 128:1 gas to oil and soon noticed an=
> increase of engine lubricating oil volume in the oil pan
>= I have gradually reduced the volume mix of=20gas to oil to 140:1 but there=
> is still a slight increase of engine lubricating oil in the pan. =
> Also a local mechanic has mentionned that the two stroke injection= oil
> is degrading the 20W-50 engine oil.
> How much can I r= educe the volume mix of gas to oil ?
> Please advise
> Yvon <= BR>>
>
> --
> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ <= BR>> Archive and UnSub:
> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/= flyrotary/List.html
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