X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from smtp104.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com ([68.142.229.101] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.14) with SMTP id 3734075 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:46:19 -0400 Received-SPF: neutral receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.142.229.101; envelope-from=bryanwinberry@bellsouth.net Received: (qmail 47235 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2009 21:45:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO acer7fbfa7e2f7) (bryanwinberry@98.88.107.65 with login) by smtp104.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2009 21:45:43 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: lZQM3I4VM1myIAcbk33b6vRgIl967aM0UiCrlwRpOQNm8lDO6zaK7rh53tlbiiaCOfF1pe88GFjY7bh18og25mZFj0JuQYXQJCloSBWbszzl6owupG_ffArVF.tVwRA.7yjVlhYhU9aZe7zsRAoAf1e7SytM0GpyViA27Eb9UqFOAJyVcXaUwfFOXWrpzFkRqQ_NzUW_bEZz_jUrOqnR6l4z7MhjRb.l6OkKbiDbUclojPFFmujv.6O1hFCBq6pV4Zpxr12WUYTm.BS_Cz2qkALJ8ogAweSAAU_Hj5a307oyAXZcORU- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Bryan Winberry" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" References: Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: AeroElectric-List: Complex aircraft NTSB report Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:45:45 -0400 Message-ID: <25C5D18917B94DC09D4765F072272DAC@acer7fbfa7e2f7> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Acn2pmSgaR9cKEiLR8WHQhjFExk5vAAAMIIg Earnest, I'm not saying he was a bad man. I'm just saying that regardless of the "official" cause of this accident, there are many examples of "what not to do" in this report. BW -----Original Message----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ernest Christley Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 5:38 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: AeroElectric-List: Complex aircraft NTSB report Bryan Winberry wrote: > Well, weight and balance, And the plane flew from Florida to Myrtle Beach that way. W&B didn't cause the accident. > removal of 2 out of 4 props, I was at the airport the other day. I seem to remember a lot of planes with only 2 props. Are they all in danger of taking a dirt bath? > just the general > attitude towards compliance. ...has absolutely no effect on the physics of keeping an airplane airborne. > Fudging an hour or two to get to OSH is one > thing. If he'd had a lot of high performance time, some shortcuts might not > raise as many questions, but 200 hours in a Cherokee? What would more high performance time have done to improve the pilot's situation? All we have is speculation and innuendo. The pilot could have just as likely died of a heart attack. A bird could have come through the window, through his left eye, and out the back of his head. He could have had a bad reaction to the ibuprofen. There could have been water in his fuel. A water hose could have burst due to a manufacturing defect. He could have had a bad itch on the bottom of his foot, and nosed the plane into the ground while reaching to scratch it. > I thought the battery > was determined to be the cause of the accident. I know it's not spelled out > here, perhaps I heard/read about it somewhere else. Didn't John Denver meet > a similar fate? Something about using vise grips on a fuel selector valve? > Vice-grips make a very effective valve handle. That is why you see it employed so often. What I've read suggests that John's fate was sealed by flying low on a nearly empty tank with a tank selection valve that was located in a hard to reach place. Whether the handle was a pair of vice-grips or gold plated unobtanium was superfluous. > This guy overloaded himself, and sometimes "not following procedure" is the > cause of an accident. > Possibly. But you couldn't peg non-compliance as the fault using this report. All you can do is speculate and say, "He is a baaaad man. Shame. Shame on the non-compliant." > BTW, Good decision Chris M. on figuring your engine problem out after the > move to NC. > > -- http://www.ernest.isa-geek.org -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html