X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com ([74.125.92.27] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.14) with ESMTP id 3733155 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:46:04 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=74.125.92.27; envelope-from=wdleonard@gmail.com Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 3so677071qwe.25 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:45:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=sp0Lg9g1ig62TOHJzfF2MA5Q5lc4SaD+WPSal4hoJVc=; b=CCspwNf87YQICEpdGXnPZ4DAIlItTeTHS9pZrU7HA16t0Md7wTwONHAnvHXgsHfh9A i1cfQeIuHnlNlabcZXEOXFzdMtX97t84QIFRL/nmZjaLWjywhDu+0cuIG9M+hXiLLgj3 0xd2bhNHuNgUtdQCJPNoMMUVcuXfYc0kG3pLc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Kebro2yT4a7L8ZfFY29eKlgEIDqynmATCQ3txlGy84g91XfEvcCiirhE9ZBOEO5ywj AmI2/c8DMS0dPXWLf2jYEJgsGukkfXkWraQNVrFvy5PnjDyanT8ZFc0yVStbF4J2tNxw 10c1HwZUcgcQWrI7Y75YmS8j50zU0NuzgDWKk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.81.70 with SMTP id w6mr2811983vck.32.1245980728889; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:45:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:45:28 -0700 Message-ID: <1c23473f0906251845m38d6c85co423a165e7f325358@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Turbo From: David Leonard To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e647f026be1170046d367e90 --0016e647f026be1170046d367e90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Turbo: just under 20#, Exhaust Manifild - a few more, but you have some overall savings in exhaust weight in the rest of the exhaust system. Intercooler is a few pounds (like 4?) Intake manifold will be a few pounds heavier that n/a. Water and oil plumbing will add a few pounds but minimal. Radiator and Oil Cooler will need to be slightly larger for the additional power you will be making. Probably something like 30-35# net additional weight. Dave leonard On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Bobby J. Hughes wrote: > > That encouraging news. What's the approximant weight of the turbo and extra plumbing? > > Bobby > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] *On > Behalf Of *David Leonard > *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2009 5:57 PM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Turbo > > I'm on the third turbo right now. The exact numbers are a little hazy > without my logs, but the first one (pure stock off the car) lasted about 70 > hrs. Flew N/A for about 50 hrs. Second turbo (TO4 hybrid run at peak EGT > everywhere I went) lasted about 120 hrs, and now the third one (another TO4 > hybrid but I keep EGT (actually TOT) below 900C - about 1600F) has been good > for about 170 hrs. (400 total hours on the plane). I have a fresh one > sitting in a box ready to install if/when needed. > > Dave Leonard > > On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:39 AM, Bobby J. Hughes wrote: > >> Dave, >> >> I thought your second turbo failed last summer at about 130 hours. Are you >> on your second or third turbo? >> >> Bobby >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] *On >> Behalf Of *David Leonard >> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2009 11:27 PM >> *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft >> *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Relay Woes >> >> Eh, I still need a muffler. I use one and still got a noise complaint >> on Sunday. But the turbo is holding up so far.. 170 hrs on the latest >> turbo and still going strong.. >> >> Dave Leonard >> >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Bobby J. Hughes wrote: >> >>> Actually I wish you would get the bugs worked out. I might swap out my >>> super charger for a turbo and intercooler and loose the muffler. My muffler >>> is starting to loose "stuff" and make rattling sounds. >>> >>> Bobby >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] >>> *On Behalf Of *David Leonard >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2009 8:16 PM >>> *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft >>> *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Relay Woes >>> >>> Ouch, Alouth that is a lot easier to achieve.... dont even have to >>> try :-) >>> >>> Dave Leonard >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Bobby J. Hughes wrote: >>> >>>> David, >>>> >>>> By any chance will your smoke system connected to your turbo :) >>>> >>>> Bobby >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] >>>> *On Behalf Of *David Leonard >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:34 AM >>>> *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft >>>> *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Relay Woes >>>> >>>> For you EE types, I have a question. I am installing a smoke system >>>> and wanted to use a relay to control the pump. I bought this relay from >>>> Mouser that I thought would do the trick: >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtLEhJ5P%2fNsZ6bnrz6%2f%252b%252bJvA50eSiydqPQ%3d >>>> >>>> The problem is that if there is any load (like the pump or even the >>>> 0.02A indicator LED I installed, then the relay will not turn off when I >>>> turn off the signal voltage. So either I do not understand how to use the >>>> relay, or I chose the wrong relay. I have checked my wiring in-so-much as >>>> to confirm that the signal voltage does turn on and off with the switch, >>>> voltage across the 'LOAD" terminals does disappear when there is no load but >>>> not when there is a load (current). >>>> >>>> Is it possibly because this relay is designed for an AC load? Other >>>> suggestions? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> David Leonard >>>> >>>> Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY >>>> http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net >>>> http://RotaryRoster.net >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> David Leonard >>> >>> Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY >>> http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net >>> http://RotaryRoster.net >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> David Leonard >> >> Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY >> http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net >> http://RotaryRoster.net >> > > > > -- > David Leonard > > Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY > http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net > http://RotaryRoster.net > -- David Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net http://RotaryRoster.net --0016e647f026be1170046d367e90 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Turbo: just under 20#,
Exhaust Manifild - a few more, but you have some = overall savings in exhaust weight in the rest of the exhaust system.
Int= ercooler is a few pounds (like 4?)
Intake manifold will be a few pounds = heavier that n/a.
Water and oil plumbing will add a few pounds but minimal.

Radiator a= nd Oil Cooler will need to be slightly larger for the additional power you = will be making.

Probably something like 30-35# net additional weight= .

Dave leonard

On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at = 6:37 PM, Bobby J. Hughes <bhughes@qnsi.net> wrote:
That=A0encouraging=A0news.=A0What's=A0the=A0approximant=A0weight= =A0of=A0the=A0turbo=A0and=A0extra=A0plumbing?=A0
=A0
Bobby
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= =A0

From: Rotary moto= rs in aircraft=20 [mailto:fl= yrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of David=20 Leonard
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 5:57 PM

To: Rotary=20 motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Turbo

I'm on the third turbo right now.=A0 The exact numbers are a littl= e hazy=20 without my logs, but the first one (pure stock off the car)=A0lasted about = 70=20 hrs.=A0 Flew N/A for about 50 hrs.=A0 Second turbo (TO4 hybrid run at peak= =20 EGT everywhere I went)=A0lasted about 120 hrs, and now the third one (anoth= er=20 TO4 hybrid but=A0I keep EGT (actually TOT)=A0below=A0900C - about=20 1600F)=A0has been good for about 170 hrs.=A0 (400 total hours on the=20 plane).=A0 I have a fresh one sitting in a box ready to install if/when=20 needed.
=A0
Dave Leonard

On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 7:39 AM, Bobby J. Hughes= <bhughes@qnsi.net>=20 wrote:
Dave,
=A0
I thought=20 your second turbo failed last summer at about 130 hours. Are you on your= =20 second or third turbo?
=A0
Bobby

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [= mailto:fly= rotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of David=20 Leonard
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 11:27 PM
To: R= otary=20 motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Relay=20 Woes

Eh, I still need a muffler.=A0 I=A0use one and still=A0got a=20 noise complaint on Sunday.=A0 But the turbo is holding up so far..=A0=20 170 hrs on the latest turbo and still going strong..
=A0
Dave Leonard

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Bobby J. Hugh= es <bhughes@qnsi.net> wrote:
Actually=20 I wish you would get the bugs worked out. I might swap out my super cha= rger=20 for a turbo and=A0intercooler and loose the muffler. My muffler is=20 starting to loose "stuff" and make rattling sounds.
=A0
Bobby

Ouch,=A0 Alouth that is a lot easier to achieve....=A0 dont even= =20 have to try=A0 :-)
=A0
Dave Leonard

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Bobby J. Hu= ghes=20 <bhughes@qnsi.net> wrote:
David,
=A0
By any=20 chance=A0will=A0your smoke system connected to your turbo=20 :)
=A0
Bobby

From: Rotary motors in a= ircraft=20 [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of David=20 Leonard
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:34 AM
To:=20 Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Relay=20 Woes

For you EE types, I have a question.=A0=A0 I am=20 installing a smoke system and wanted to use a relay to control the=20 pump.=A0 I bought this relay from Mouser that I thought would do the= =20 trick:

http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?qs=3DsGAEpiMZZM= tLEhJ5P%2fNsZ6bnrz6%2f%252b%252bJvA50eSiydqPQ%3d

The=20 problem is that if there is any load (like the pump or even the 0.02A= =20 indicator LED I installed, then the relay will not turn off when I tu= rn=20 off the signal voltage.=A0 So either I do not understand how to use t= he=20 relay, or I chose the wrong relay.=A0 I have checked my wiring=20 in-so-much as to confirm that the signal voltage does turn on and off= with=20 the switch, voltage across the 'LOAD" terminals does disappe= ar when there=20 is no load but not when there is a load (current).=A0

Is it= =20 possibly because this relay is designed for an AC load?=A0 Other=20 suggestions?

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Turbo Rotary RV-6=20 N4VY
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http://RotaryRoster.net



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Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
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