X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail-yx0-f180.google.com ([209.85.210.180] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.14) with ESMTP id 3732934 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:01:33 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.210.180; envelope-from=david.staten@gmail.com Received: by yxe10 with SMTP id 10so3016987yxe.7 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:00:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=SbvO85C905w2nOLxbZaJFAYDzK19xthBjvcVP/CHYIw=; b=QETkyp/igbloKMJMUvAc9t3bJsdCZxiEtG4iIE4dl4h3+62bbDyNfkxPMM0DzdwSvq 1e6hkNVdvqYt59ZclmPsoXDDYEWVOYCtuTSi4C6qB2e3HOlroEU+q1qiOIB3lW5XBanb zcZ4y7ShwAQ/Ti7BY/H8tbMdtdHQmYln5zYt4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=HT60XFVVKQcoObqcxKnMN0jW5rYGIL1LJg8anuOuHPOW6RPQ7c9pabRhk4q3IH5FlF HPNkga+muR4XVqUy5z+72J0t/Zm/mV33VAjbuRO0kxxK6jTflJgUZSmrFuaVt8hxM8Ct keluNLeBFUYnUV/Ovj6leJw0VYo/8TraQ0cNY= Received: by 10.90.89.8 with SMTP id m8mr2483361agb.23.1245967259094; Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:00:59 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from ?192.168.1.103? ([216.80.140.47]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm2665946agb.2.2009.06.25.15.00.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:00:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A43F39F.6050200@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:01:03 -0500 From: Dave User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Consistant progress...not sure how to act? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill Bradburry wrote: > You are at what? 500 ft? More like 42. > I have seen several methods for finding leaks on this list. Get a can of > WD-40 with the little red tube on it so you can control it and not make much > of a mess, and with the engine idling, spurt(very small spurt) WD-40 on each > crack and cranny on the intake system. Spurt, listen for the idle speed to > increase, spurt next place. Don't forget where the injectors install, it > could be leaking around them. Idle increase=leak. No change=no leak. > Be careful there is a prop on there. Do this with someone. Don't spray the > exhaust! > I actually thought of recommending this.. but honestly with the wings on and the prop RIGHT there.. this is simply too dangerous unless someone wants to lay on the strake. Otherwise a propstrike is extremely likely. Starting fluid has the same effect, and evaporates completely, not leaving an oily mess on the engine. > Fix the leak before you do anything else. > Agreed. Tuning comes WELL after troubleshooting. You cant fine tune something that isn't in the ballpark. As for chris's data point.. 29" mp is wide open throttle at sea level. the 11 gph if calibrated correctly is more like 130 to 145 hp. (using .5 to .45 lb/hp/hr BSFC). Key words are if things are calibrated correctly. It will take several long fuel burns/fills to get that correctly calibrated.. or take 5 gals EXACTLY and run it out.. bone dry. Once the motor has its teething issues addressed, and THEN once the instrumentation is properly calibrated, then you can do some real tuning and optimizing. Dave