X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail-qy0-f136.google.com ([209.85.221.136] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.14) with ESMTP id 3660377 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:05:27 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.221.136; envelope-from=mikefapex@gmail.com Received: by qyk42 with SMTP id 42so10820203qyk.7 for ; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 12:04:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=7O/JQFQbB2BmDgohEG2F/LUqoD3KwqL5DxvrYulDshE=; b=reqSE9Z3eN6OqE99WAAKlOMJgRmg+Mc5wlQ6zYNSaJnKL6ZlVk7L2FvicACLSNMRpt 2Dm4eJsRXF2Z8QkTP90qSmvVbfXfw4lOljInWAdh0OZy0tunaHey5xETsS1MkPfzpMTm 1CEYUsvKIL1Nbb3HI3dfcA2f/Rr4cnSXqknwk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; b=vznyioYye0UjTEck6fEBVI8s4r4Sk1Mfg4UCxLg4n/dnoDMPXG05Px8uymkRP5xUG6 6FRn1pxpFMY40X1hNtdl33uWKcv6qFzgeMJbcZqULHigcGra1ei0BqY6bXKacyBxVSaY KWBq5EQR0TK5U9KHQflI+8JLwcnFJNcn2weyg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: mikefapex@gmail.com Received: by 10.229.96.13 with SMTP id f13mr1782121qcn.36.1243883092435; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 12:04:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:04:52 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 12aa3a21f2c24096 Message-ID: <3036fbc30906011204p738c9f50t8f0d6e9ec103760b@mail.gmail.com> Subject: More EC2 Tuning - Progress Made From: Mike Fontenot To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636832482ddeeba046b4e1929 --001636832482ddeeba046b4e1929 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sunday I took the trike out for more tuning with a buddy who is very engine experienced. He wanted to get a baseline so we checked a few things including compression on all 4 cylinders. All good and consistent. Examined the sparkplugs and they showed good and clean. We also hooked a Vacuum gauge to the throttle body and checked steady pressure. It was. I should note that the EM2 MAP display and the vacuum gauge did not match up. Lastly, we adjusted the throttle stop and idle adjustment getting the low end idle to around 1000 RPMs. We never got the engine running smoothly at this idle, but it did run. And it would stay running. It really smooths out at 1600 RPM. -- MODE 3 - With TC latest advice about not really using the Mixture Indicator, but instead find out where the engine runs 'strongest' at any particular MAP setting, we started tuning again in Mode 3. After getting the system to MAP 22, we found the Mode 3 setting where running with the Mixture Knob at 1200 produced the best running engine. Turning the Mixture Knob either Lean or Rich would cause the engine to eventually drop in power and smoothness. To help measure 'strongest' we set an RPM point, then watched it either increase or decrease based on our programming settings. Mode 3 Injector value: 203 At MAP 22 the engine RPM was 5120, EGT around 1200, Oil Pres: 63, Oil Temp: 150, H2O Temp: 193 -- MODE 2 - It took us a couple of readings to figure out where to go, but we did get the system responding to the Mixture Knob in a consistent way. At a high idle I can now clearly affect the engine with the Mixture Knob, after changing the Mode 2 settings. As I said earlier, at the lowest idle of around 1000 RPM the engine runs rough. It almost looks like the engine fires slowly, throws the big prop over. The prop sort of slows down, then the next cylinder fires. Not sure if this is making much sense but the engine chugs along at low RPM (1000 to around 1500), above this it smooths right out and sounds like a sewing machine. Interestingly, the low RPM MAP values were down around 7.4 . They hovered around 8.x until I got over the RPM of 2000, then climbed after that. I am doing all of this at 5500' above MSL, not sure if that makes a difference. -- MODE 1 - Putting the system into Track Mode I made some adjustments in Mode 1. We ran out of time to go in 1/2 MAP increments. So instead I picked about a value of 3 increments: 15, 18, 21, 23, 26, 29. The one tricky part was that in Track Mode, above some MAP/RPM value the EM2 did not show RPM, but instead it showed another value ( calculated MAP maybe?). I'm not sure where the cut over occurred, but I used another technique: I have a handheld optical RPM meter, and using that when set on any specific MAP position, I then used the reading on the RPM meter to see if the engine is running 'stronger' or 'weaker'. Plus listening, watching temps, things like that. At the end of the day I could start the engine with Mixture Knob in 1200, let the engine warm up, and run through the entire range of throttle settings up to max throttle without touching the Mixture Knob. I call this progress. There are still a few places that 'bump' every now and then. I'm sure that would cause a poop event if happening to me while flying. So of course I plan to go back and fine tune the Mode 1/Mode 9 the next time out. But overall we feel like a lot of progress was made. At every throttle position I can spin the Mixture Knob away from 1200 and it clearly affects the engine (it produces 'less'), and when bringing it back to 1200 it smooths out and runs strong again. -- MIXTURE INDICATOR QUESTION - My understanding is that the EM2 is a Narrow Band type of meter, when coupled with the O2 sensor I have (BOSCH). Have others found it useful to have a Wideband Air/Fuel gauge and O2 sensor installed in the system to understand where air/fuel really is? Or is there some technique folks to calibrate the EM2 Mixture Indicator so that it reads accurately? As you know by now, it is certainly possible I am mis-interpreting the values I am seeing on the EM2 Mixture Indicator, but I'm feeling less confident with the EM2 Mixture Indicator. That value seems like such a damn useful reading to know. I'd rather have no meter than an inaccurate one! Anyway, feedback is appreciated. Thats it for now, Thanks, -- Mike ================================ Mike Fontenot Apex Consulting & Services LLC Lakewood, Colorado 303 / 731-6645 mikef AT apexconsultingservices DOT com ================================ --001636832482ddeeba046b4e1929 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sunday I took the trike out for more tuning with a buddy who is very engine experienced. He wanted to get a baseline so we checked a few things including compression on all 4 cylinders. All good and consistent. Examined the sparkplugs and they showed good and clean. We also hooked a Vacuum gauge to the throttle body and checked steady pressure. It was. I should note that the EM2 MAP display and the vacuum gauge did not match up. Lastly, we adjusted the throttle stop and idle adjustment getting the low end idle to around 1000 RPMs. We never got the engine running smoothly at this idle, but it did run. And it would stay running.=A0 It really smooths out at 1600 RPM.

-- MODE=A0 3 - With TC latest advice about not really using the Mixture Indicator, but instead find out where the engine runs 'strongest' at any particular MAP setting, we started tuning again = in Mode 3. After getting the system to MAP 22, we found the Mode 3 setting where running with the Mixture Knob at 1200 produced the best running engine. Turning the Mixture Knob either Lean or Rich would cause the engine to eventually drop in power and smoothness.

To help measure 'strongest' we set an RPM point, then watched i= t either increase or decrease based on our programming settings.

Mo= de 3 Injector value: 203

At MAP 22 the engine RPM was 5120, EGT arou= nd 1200, Oil Pres: 63, Oil Temp: 150, H2O Temp: 193

-- MODE 2 - It took us a couple of readings to figure out where to go, but we did get the system responding to the Mixture Knob in a consistent way. At a high idle I can now clearly affect the engine with the Mixture Knob, after changing the Mode 2 settings. As I said earlier, at the lowest idle of around 1000 RPM the engine runs rough. It almost looks like the engine fires slowly, throws the big prop over. The prop sort of slows down, then the next cylinder fires.=A0 Not sure if this is making much sense but the engine chugs along at low RPM (1000 to around 1500), above this it smooths right out and sounds like a sewing machine.

Interestingly, the low RPM MAP values were down around 7.4 .=A0 They hovered around 8.x=A0 until I got over the RPM of 2000, then climbed after that. I am doing all of this at 5500' above MSL, not sure if that makes a difference.

-- MODE 1 - Putting the system into Track Mode I made some adjustments in Mode 1. We ran out of time to go in 1/2 MAP increments. So instead I picked about a value of 3 increments: 15, 18, 21, 23, 26, 29.=A0=A0 The one tricky part was that in Track Mode, above some MAP/RPM value the EM2 did not show RPM, but instead it showed another value ( calcu= lated MAP maybe?). I'm not sure where the cut over occurred, but I used another technique:=

I have a handheld optical RPM meter, and using that when set on any specific MAP position, I then used the reading on the RPM meter to see if the engine is running 'stronger' or 'weaker'. Plus liste= ning, watching temps, things like that.

At the end of the day I could start the engine with Mixture Knob in 1200, let the engine warm up, and run through the entire range of throttle settings up to max throttle without touching the Mixture Knob.=A0 I call this progress. There are still a few places that 'bump&= #39; every now and then. I'm sure that would cause a poop event if happening to me while flying. So of course I plan to go back and fine tune the Mode 1= /Mode 9 the next time out.

But overall we feel like a lot of progress was= made.=A0 At every throttle position I can spin the Mixture Knob away from = 1200 and it clearly affects the engine (it produces 'less'), and wh= en bringing it back to 1200 it smooths out and runs strong again.

-- MIXTURE INDICATOR QUESTION - My understanding is that the EM2 is a N= arrow Band type of meter, when coupled with the O2 sensor I have (BOSCH). H= ave others found it useful to have a Wideband Air/Fuel gauge and O2 sensor = installed in the system to understand where air/fuel really is?=A0 Or is th= ere some technique folks to calibrate the EM2 Mixture Indicator so that it = reads accurately? As you know by now, it is certainly possible I am mis-int= erpreting the values I am seeing on the EM2 Mixture Indicator, but I'm = feeling less confident with the EM2 Mixture Indicator. That value seems lik= e such a damn useful reading to know.=A0 I'd rather have no meter than = an inaccurate one!=A0 Anyway, feedback is appreciated.

Thats it for now,=A0 Thanks,

--
Mike

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Mike Fontenot
Apex Consulting & Services LLC
Lakewood, = Colorado
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mikef AT apexconsultingservices DOT com
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