X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail-ew0-f167.google.com ([209.85.219.167] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.14) with ESMTP id 3633634 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 06 May 2009 10:12:14 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.219.167; envelope-from=rwstracy@gmail.com Received: by ewy11 with SMTP id 11so197443ewy.19 for ; Wed, 06 May 2009 07:11:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ycwvMEI2xixkEKB/9GEUQE/wHYxHb7joNqteK3X9//s=; b=AcACaGhmhd8CmLR5B7Vs0q6XevUHgP8RsCjPVxXJIqq7gqd0AShjr/lGTnCI+KFk18 wbpoIP5yYDNGhEGnuSIPFmQqJWcVlvvrMO3gy3S82YlzX79fyPCh8InEcNfsZ5O/Ctgp BBSWrfq1jPlMavWdYdpuCBE6GNBWbaqdnvFcY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=Vms4OCcUbp176ihHU9zCLKwdAk+8ose42SnC3YUP92upvDvlRgLkLsYVNt8MrwALG9 inY+qpPfFrXXNHAomkD7P2zPaRZ+SXOWwOGnJXe4cPsYS0bCsxjctckkUvRLvJjkRDeu p4rTINViNRyizSRFiev8WXKNFgT71i5UdZPbI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: rwstracy@gmail.com Received: by 10.142.141.21 with SMTP id o21mr511209wfd.322.1241619095140; Wed, 06 May 2009 07:11:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 10:11:35 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 71a30c802469d96a Message-ID: <1b4b137c0905060711p49a84d91v42185cb1a1d220cd@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: finetuning2 (slightly off-subject) From: Tracy Crook To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd17ea81cbbc604693ef97e --000e0cd17ea81cbbc604693ef97e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Greg, Laura sent you (I think) notice about the EM3 availability and asking you to pick the options you wanted. See website for details on options, prices, etc if you didn't get the notice. Trace. On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 10:30 PM, Greg Ward wrote: > O.K. Bob, and Tracy thanks; > I will keep you updated as we proceed. Looks like Tracy and I need to have > a brief conversation about the EM3, and then all should be well. > Greg > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob White" > To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 7:18 PM > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: finetuning2 (slightly off-subject) > > > Hi Greg, >> >> I've seen some preliminary diagrams for the EM3. It's a big >> improvement over the EM2 from the connection standpoint. There is only >> one 'D' style connector. All of the sensors are connected using >> terminal strips. The good news is you can make those connections >> yourself. The bad news is I can't do much for you on them. It's just >> a matter of stripping the wires, inserting them in the terminal strip >> and tightening them down. The one 'D' connector is similar to the EM2 >> P3 cable. >> >> Re: Tracy's comment. When doing the actual wiring, I always use the >> wiring diagram and tables from the user manual for your unit. It often >> comes directly from Tracy as he can send me an electronic copy. >> >> Bob W. >> >> On Tue, 5 May 2009 19:00:37 -0700 >> "Greg Ward" wrote: >> >> Thanks Bob; >>> Willdo. I have the EC3, and plan on buying the EM3 whenever Tracy makes >>> it >>> available, so I will need wiring for both. Additionally, I will need >>> some >>> input on my 100 amp alternator (side mounted) and a 2-battery system, >>> with 2 >>> separate busses. I also want a separate ground switch to power up the >>> GPS/EFIS, so that I can program them without the engine running, while I >>> am >>> parked, for safety purposes. Any help you can give me on this is >>> appreciated. >>> Greg Ward >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob White" >>> To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 6:38 PM >>> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: finetuning2 (slightly off-subject) >>> >>> >>> > Hi Greg, >>> > >>> > That's probably me that you are thinking about for the wiring >>> > harnesses. I think I made a 20B cable, but can't find the details at >>> > the moment. I've made them for V8's and 4 cylinder piston engines >>> > also. The cost depends a lot on how much wire I need to use. Tefzel >>> > runs 10 to 20 cents/ft. I have a copy of the EC2 20B Rev 2 manual >>> > dated November 15, 2007. Based on that, the cost would be about the >>> > same as the 13B if you splice the common coil and injector connections >>> > at the coil and injector ends. A little more if I double the leads >>> > from the EC2. I would recommend doing it this way to make the cabling >>> > more straightforward. EC3's are about the same as EC2's also from the >>> > cable making perspective, the main difference is the use of a 25 and 15 >>> > pin connector for the EC3 instead of a 37 pin connector for the EC2. >>> > >>> > If you go to my site at http://roblinstores.com/ and fill out the >>> > lengths you need for the 13B cable, you can get a pretty good idea of >>> > the cost. Put in double the length you need for injector and coil >>> > leads for the individual lead option. That will give a pretty good >>> > estimate. >>> > >>> > Let me know if I can be of any further assistance. >>> > >>> > Bob W. >>> > >>> > On Tue, 5 May 2009 18:06:53 -0700 >>> > "Greg Ward" wrote: >>> > >>> >> Hey Tracy (and others) >>> >> Setting up for engine first run dyno (finally). Couple of things. Is >>> >> your friend who makes wiring harnesses making them for the 20B/Lancair >>> >> combo? Going to test the water and oil systems for pressure. 30 >> >>> pounds >>> >> on water, and 100 pounds on oil? >>> >> Greg Ward >>> >> Lancair 20B N178RG making progress...... >>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Tracy Crook >>> >> To: Rotary motors in aircraft >>> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 7:04 AM >>> >> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: finetuning2 >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> 66mm is not oversize so I'm surprised with no increase in power >> >>> after >>> >> 2/3 throttle. Never hesitate to play with the mixture control when >>> >> testing. It is the fastest way to educate yourself on the effects of >>> >> mixture on performance, fuel burn, EGT curve, etc. You can't hurt a >>> >> normally aspirated 13B with mixture (assuming ignition timing in the >>> >> ballpark) so there's nothing to loose either. >>> >> >>> >> If that top speed was in IAS at 8500 you're not doing too bad >> >>> anyway. >>> >> >>> >> Trace >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Don Wallker >> >>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Tracy, >>> >> 66 mm ford mustang throttle body, I believe suggested by you. To >>> >> busy flying to notice all the numbers. Mostly concentrating on flying >>> >> and temps. Alt 8500 ft, 40 Oat, No idea about manifold pressure. >>> >> Mixture set at mid range, but not really looked at. We have had a lot >>> >> of >>> >> weather here the last few days, but is looking better toward the end >>> >> of >>> >> the week. I got the diagram and printed it and realize it is a fix, >>> >> not >>> >> a solution. I'll get to the airport tomorrow and draw a diagram of my >>> >> electrical system, with lengths, positioning, etc. I've never tried >>> >> running without the main buss off. I'll run it and see if there is a >>> >> differance with only the Essential buss on. Thanks for all the >> >>> thoughts, >>> >> all of you. >>> >> >>> >> Don >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>> >> Archive and UnSub: >>> >> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > -- > N93BD - Rotary Powered BD-4 - http://www.bob-white.com >>> > 3.8 Hours Total Time and holding >>> > Cables for your rotary installation - http://roblinstores.com/ >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>> > Archive and UnSub: >>> > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>> > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>> Archive and UnSub: >>> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>> >> >> >> -- >> N93BD - Rotary Powered BD-4 - http://www.bob-white.com >> 3.8 Hours Total Time and holding >> Cables for your rotary installation - http://roblinstores.com/ >> >> -- >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> Archive and UnSub: >> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >> >> > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > --000e0cd17ea81cbbc604693ef97e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Greg,
=A0 Laura sent you (I think) notice about the EM3 availability = and asking you to pick the options you wanted.=A0 See website for details o= n options, prices, etc if you didn't get the notice.

Trace.
<= br>
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 10:30 PM, Greg Ward <gregw@onestopde= sign.biz> wrote:
O.K. Bob, and Tracy thanks;
I will keep you updated as we proceed. =A0Looks like Tracy and I need to ha= ve a brief conversation about the EM3, and then all should be well.
Greg


----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob White" <bob@bob-white.com>
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
=
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 7:18 PM

Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: finetuning2 (slightly off-subject)


Hi Greg,

I've seen some preliminary diagrams for the EM3. =A0It's a big
improvement over the EM2 from the connection standpoint. =A0There is only one 'D' style connector. =A0All of the sensors are connected using<= br> terminal strips. =A0The good news is you can make those connections
yourself. =A0The bad news is I can't do much for you on them. =A0It'= ;s just
a matter of stripping the wires, inserting them in the terminal strip
and tightening them down. =A0The one 'D' connector is similar to th= e EM2
P3 cable.

Re: Tracy's comment. =A0When doing the actual wiring, I always use the<= br> wiring diagram and tables from the user manual for your unit. =A0It often comes directly from Tracy as he can send me an electronic copy.

Bob W.

On Tue, 5 May 2009 19:00:37 -0700
"Greg Ward" <gregw@onestopdesign.biz> wrote:

Thanks Bob;
Willdo. =A0I have the EC3, and plan on buying the EM3 whenever Tracy makes = it
available, so I will need wiring for both. =A0Additionally, I will need som= e
input on my 100 amp alternator (side mounted) and a 2-battery system, with = 2
separate busses. =A0I also want a separate ground switch to power up the GPS/EFIS, so that I can program them without the engine running, while I am=
parked, for safety purposes. =A0Any help you can give me on this is
appreciated.
Greg Ward

----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob White" <bob@bob-white.com>
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 6:38 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: finetuning2 (slightly off-subject)


> Hi Greg,
>
> That's probably me that you are thinking about for the wiring
> harnesses. =A0I think I made a 20B cable, but can't find the detai= ls at
> the moment. =A0I've made them for V8's and 4 cylinder piston e= ngines
> also. =A0The cost depends a lot on how much wire I need to use. =A0Tef= zel
> runs 10 to 20 cents/ft. =A0I have a copy of the EC2 20B Rev 2 manual > dated November 15, 2007. =A0Based on that, the cost would be about the=
> same as the 13B if you splice the common coil and injector connections=
> at the coil and injector ends. =A0A little more if I =A0double the lea= ds
> from the EC2. =A0I would recommend doing it this way to make the cabli= ng
> more straightforward. =A0 EC3's are about the same as EC2's al= so from the
> cable making perspective, the main difference is the use of a 25 and 1= 5
> pin connector for the EC3 instead of a 37 pin connector for the EC2. >
> If you go to my site at http://roblinstores.com/ and fill out the
> lengths you need for the 13B cable, you can get a pretty good idea of<= br> > the cost. =A0Put in double the length you need for injector and coil > leads for the individual lead option. =A0That will give a pretty good<= br> > estimate.
>
> Let me know if I can be of any further assistance.
>
> Bob W.
>
> On Tue, 5 May 2009 18:06:53 -0700
> "Greg Ward" <gregw@onestopdesign.biz> wrote:
>
>> Hey Tracy (and others)
>> Setting up for engine first run dyno (finally). =A0Couple of thing= s. =A0Is
>> your friend who makes wiring harnesses making them for the 20B/Lan= cair
>> combo? =A0Going to test the water and oil systems for pressure. = =A030 >> pounds
>> on water, and 100 pounds on oil?
>> Greg Ward
>> Lancair 20B N178RG making progress......
>> =A0 ----- Original Message ----- >> =A0 From: Tracy Crook >> =A0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft
>> =A0 Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 7:04 AM
>> =A0 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: finetuning2
>>
>>
>> =A0 66mm is not oversize so I'm surprised with no increase in = power >> after
>> 2/3 throttle. =A0 Never hesitate to play with the mixture control = when
>> testing. =A0It is the fastest way to educate yourself on the effec= ts of
>> mixture on performance, fuel burn, EGT curve, etc. =A0You can'= t hurt a
>> normally aspirated 13B with mixture (assuming ignition timing in t= he
>> ballpark) so there's nothing to loose either.
>>
>> =A0 If that top speed was in IAS at 8500 you're not doing too = bad >> anyway.
>>
>> =A0 Trace
>>
>>
>> =A0 On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Don Wallker <drwalker@gbis.com> >>= ; wrote:
>>
>> =A0 =A0 Tracy,
>> =A0 =A0 66 mm ford mustang throttle body, I believe suggested by y= ou. =A0To
>> busy flying to notice all the numbers. =A0Mostly concentrating on = flying
>> and temps. =A0Alt 8500 ft, 40 Oat, No idea about manifold pressure= .
>> Mixture set at mid range, but not really looked at. =A0We have had= a lot >> of
>> weather here the last few days, but is looking better toward the e= nd >> of
>> the week. =A0I got the diagram and printed it and realize it is a = fix, >> not
>> a solution. =A0I'll get to the airport tomorrow and draw a dia= gram of my
>> electrical system, with lengths, positioning, etc. I've never = tried
>> running without the main buss off. =A0I'll run it and see if t= here is a
>> differance with only the Essential buss on. =A0Thanks for all the = >> thoughts,
>> all of you.
>>
>> =A0 =A0 Don
>>
>> =A0 =A0 --
>> =A0 =A0 Homepage: =A0http://www.flyrotary.com/
>> =A0 =A0 Archive and UnSub:
>> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/Lis= t.html
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> -- > N93BD - Rotary Powered BD-4 - http://www.bob-white.com
> 3.8 Hours Total Time and holding
> Cables for your rotary installation - http://roblinstores.com/
>
> --
> Homepage: =A0h= ttp://www.flyrotary.com/
> Archive and UnSub:
> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.ht= ml
>


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