X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from QMTA07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.64] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.14) with ESMTP id 3633306 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 05 May 2009 22:22:51 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.62.64; envelope-from=gregw@onestopdesign.biz Received: from OMTA13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.52]) by QMTA07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id o0EK1b00V17dt5G572N3F8; Wed, 06 May 2009 02:22:03 +0000 Received: from osd1 ([24.6.40.29]) by OMTA13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id o2NE1b00L0dkeQQ3Z2NFJQ; Wed, 06 May 2009 02:22:15 +0000 Message-ID: <7F6C458837DF4BAC9B29D6D36912466F@yosemite.onestopdesign.biz> From: "Greg Ward" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: finetuning2 (slightly off-subject) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 19:30:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 O.K. Bob, and Tracy thanks; I will keep you updated as we proceed. Looks like Tracy and I need to have a brief conversation about the EM3, and then all should be well. Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob White" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 7:18 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: finetuning2 (slightly off-subject) > Hi Greg, > > I've seen some preliminary diagrams for the EM3. It's a big > improvement over the EM2 from the connection standpoint. There is only > one 'D' style connector. All of the sensors are connected using > terminal strips. The good news is you can make those connections > yourself. The bad news is I can't do much for you on them. It's just > a matter of stripping the wires, inserting them in the terminal strip > and tightening them down. The one 'D' connector is similar to the EM2 > P3 cable. > > Re: Tracy's comment. When doing the actual wiring, I always use the > wiring diagram and tables from the user manual for your unit. It often > comes directly from Tracy as he can send me an electronic copy. > > Bob W. > > On Tue, 5 May 2009 19:00:37 -0700 > "Greg Ward" wrote: > >> Thanks Bob; >> Willdo. I have the EC3, and plan on buying the EM3 whenever Tracy makes >> it >> available, so I will need wiring for both. Additionally, I will need >> some >> input on my 100 amp alternator (side mounted) and a 2-battery system, >> with 2 >> separate busses. I also want a separate ground switch to power up the >> GPS/EFIS, so that I can program them without the engine running, while I >> am >> parked, for safety purposes. Any help you can give me on this is >> appreciated. >> Greg Ward >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bob White" >> To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" >> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 6:38 PM >> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: finetuning2 (slightly off-subject) >> >> >> > Hi Greg, >> > >> > That's probably me that you are thinking about for the wiring >> > harnesses. I think I made a 20B cable, but can't find the details at >> > the moment. I've made them for V8's and 4 cylinder piston engines >> > also. The cost depends a lot on how much wire I need to use. Tefzel >> > runs 10 to 20 cents/ft. I have a copy of the EC2 20B Rev 2 manual >> > dated November 15, 2007. Based on that, the cost would be about the >> > same as the 13B if you splice the common coil and injector connections >> > at the coil and injector ends. A little more if I double the leads >> > from the EC2. I would recommend doing it this way to make the cabling >> > more straightforward. EC3's are about the same as EC2's also from the >> > cable making perspective, the main difference is the use of a 25 and 15 >> > pin connector for the EC3 instead of a 37 pin connector for the EC2. >> > >> > If you go to my site at http://roblinstores.com/ and fill out the >> > lengths you need for the 13B cable, you can get a pretty good idea of >> > the cost. Put in double the length you need for injector and coil >> > leads for the individual lead option. That will give a pretty good >> > estimate. >> > >> > Let me know if I can be of any further assistance. >> > >> > Bob W. >> > >> > On Tue, 5 May 2009 18:06:53 -0700 >> > "Greg Ward" wrote: >> > >> >> Hey Tracy (and others) >> >> Setting up for engine first run dyno (finally). Couple of things. Is >> >> your friend who makes wiring harnesses making them for the 20B/Lancair >> >> combo? Going to test the water and oil systems for pressure. 30 >> >> pounds >> >> on water, and 100 pounds on oil? >> >> Greg Ward >> >> Lancair 20B N178RG making progress...... >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: Tracy Crook >> >> To: Rotary motors in aircraft >> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 7:04 AM >> >> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: finetuning2 >> >> >> >> >> >> 66mm is not oversize so I'm surprised with no increase in power >> >> after >> >> 2/3 throttle. Never hesitate to play with the mixture control when >> >> testing. It is the fastest way to educate yourself on the effects of >> >> mixture on performance, fuel burn, EGT curve, etc. You can't hurt a >> >> normally aspirated 13B with mixture (assuming ignition timing in the >> >> ballpark) so there's nothing to loose either. >> >> >> >> If that top speed was in IAS at 8500 you're not doing too bad >> >> anyway. >> >> >> >> Trace >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Don Wallker >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Tracy, >> >> 66 mm ford mustang throttle body, I believe suggested by you. To >> >> busy flying to notice all the numbers. Mostly concentrating on flying >> >> and temps. Alt 8500 ft, 40 Oat, No idea about manifold pressure. >> >> Mixture set at mid range, but not really looked at. We have had a lot >> >> of >> >> weather here the last few days, but is looking better toward the end >> >> of >> >> the week. I got the diagram and printed it and realize it is a fix, >> >> not >> >> a solution. I'll get to the airport tomorrow and draw a diagram of my >> >> electrical system, with lengths, positioning, etc. I've never tried >> >> running without the main buss off. I'll run it and see if there is a >> >> differance with only the Essential buss on. Thanks for all the >> >> thoughts, >> >> all of you. >> >> >> >> Don >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> >> Archive and UnSub: >> >> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > N93BD - Rotary Powered BD-4 - http://www.bob-white.com >> > 3.8 Hours Total Time and holding >> > Cables for your rotary installation - http://roblinstores.com/ >> > >> > -- >> > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> > Archive and UnSub: >> > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >> > >> >> >> -- >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> Archive and UnSub: >> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > > > -- > N93BD - Rotary Powered BD-4 - http://www.bob-white.com > 3.8 Hours Total Time and holding > Cables for your rotary installation - http://roblinstores.com/ > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >