X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.121] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.14) with ESMTP id 3631447 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 04 May 2009 11:35:55 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=75.180.132.121; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Received: from computername ([75.191.186.236]) by cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090504153520036.EGE22077@cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com> for ; Mon, 4 May 2009 15:35:20 +0000 From: "Ed Anderson" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Initial Engine (not) starting with EC2 - suggestions appreciated! Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 11:37:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C9CCAC.B565D200" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcnMyt9iLF36vQV1QXqT6NArFQe6QwAAzgcA In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Message-Id: <20090504153520036.EGE22077@cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C9CCAC.B565D200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good, Mike Hope it's as simple as swapping CS controller plugs. Certainly could be an ignition timing problem. Ed Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://www.andersonee.com http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html http://www.flyrotary.com/ http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW http://www.rotaryaviation.com/Rotorhead%20Truth.htm _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Mike Fontenot Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 11:13 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Initial Engine (not) starting with EC2 - suggestions appreciated! Thanks to all who weighed in so far. Especially that one about "Replace the GEO with a Rotary" ;-), why did that not surprise me. Based on your comments, I pulled out my GEO manual (I have it and the EC2 manuals with me daily on my bus ride to/from work). Looking at the diagrams on the Crank Position Sensor I think I may have located an issue. That theme of 'ignition' & 'timing' was the key. My EC2 is 'special' :) . It has wiring for two CPS, one for each controller A & B. I think I may have plugged A into B, and visa versa. The soonest I can try again will be Tuesday night. I will post a status on Wednesday. My system is the Z-19 RB (rear battery). It follows Bob's diagram pretty much as described, except for the areas of the EC2, coil, injector, and fuel pumps 1 & 2. His diagram sort of leaves that portion up to the implementer. Mine has dual power feeds for each of those components, with a switch for each fuel pump (via relays), and the EC2/Coil/Injector turning ON/OFF together via a set of redundant switches (two switches, each switch has on/off control for three circuits). The EC2 is wired simply on/off, while the coils and injector power are switched on/off through independent relays. My diagrams are all drawn on paper, so I'm not able to upload at this time. Thanks again, I'll post my results on Wednesday. -- Mike ================================ Mike Fontenot Apex Consulting & Services LLC Lakewood, Colorado 303 / 731-6645 mikef AT apexconsultingservices DOT com ================================ ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C9CCAC.B565D200 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Good, = Mike

 

Hope it’s as simple as = swapping CS controller plugs.  Certainly could be an ignition timing = problem.

 

Ed

 

From: = Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Mike Fontenot
Sent: Monday, May 04, = 2009 11:13 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Initial Engine (not) starting with EC2 - suggestions = appreciated!

 

Thanks to all who weighed in so far. Especially that one about "Replace the GEO with a Rotary"  ;-), why did that not = surprise me.

Based on your comments, I pulled out my GEO manual (I have it and the = EC2 manuals with me
daily on my bus ride to/from work).  Looking at the diagrams on the = Crank Position Sensor I think I may have located an issue. That theme of = 'ignition' & 'timing' was the key.

My EC2 is 'special'  :) . It has wiring for two CPS, one for each controller A & B.  I think I may have plugged A into B, and = visa versa. The soonest I can try again will be Tuesday night. I will post a = status on Wednesday.

My system is the Z-19 RB (rear battery). It follows Bob's diagram pretty = much as described, except for the areas of the EC2, coil, injector, and fuel = pumps 1 & 2. His diagram sort of leaves that portion up to the implementer. = Mine has dual power feeds for each of those components, with a switch for = each fuel pump (via relays), and the EC2/Coil/Injector turning ON/OFF together via = a set of redundant switches (two switches, each switch has on/off control for = three circuits). The EC2 is wired simply on/off, while the coils and injector = power are switched on/off through independent relays.

My diagrams are all drawn on paper, so I'm not able to upload at this = time.

Thanks again, I'll post my results on Wednesday.

--
Mike

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Mike Fontenot
Apex Consulting & Services LLC
Lakewood, = Colorado
303 / 731-6645
mikef AT apexconsultingservices DOT com
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