X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from web83903.mail.sp1.yahoo.com ([69.147.92.101] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.14) with SMTP id 3630951 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 03 May 2009 23:49:47 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=69.147.92.101; envelope-from=delta11xd@att.net Received: (qmail 3171 invoked by uid 60001); 4 May 2009 03:49:12 -0000 Message-ID: <566303.2821.qm@web83903.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: EdtkDEwVM1mA0vhjLJtT6MW5vwTkKkLoi44l3vfV_ehyOPr1dHnfNRLNUG3XzEuBl4Xa93NIfN6dc6KDhDMj9luJTD7KaMA0JiP5fg.6eB7vipoYm5BC3c4DgBGBTysfFGAkrofB7A6zvp3zBTjB9cA4sWIjYc6ZQoiCfIISwXVR5PCyHyO66zjvnB6SIPT_ERWQ_TJDvmYbq5o6xUv4ExDKygD_KAWL.XYWEzDQUyWtwpq96ar8u.stxJcA4Ly7r8Svs9PAp7ZIVc7NKkpQo_OhHs_JXIrtTF._5HHF0f36_IK97vsj9vuyBZo0 Received: from [76.237.111.116] by web83903.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 May 2009 20:49:12 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 20:49:12 -0700 (PDT) From: James Maher Reply-To: delta11xd@att.net Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: prop? To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-501965462-1241408952=:2821" --0-501965462-1241408952=:2821 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hydraulic and electric constant speed props are two totally different anima= ls. You could say that hydraulic props are analog and that electrically adjusta= ble props are digital, as a good analogy. Hydraulic constant speed props are constantly adjusting as the oil pressure= changes due to the output of the governor.=20 They are designed to have a relatively quick response and be operated conti= nuously and therefor ideal for aerobatics. Conversely an electrically adjustable prop only changes the pitch in increm= ents when the power to the motor is applied.=20 Most electric governors have an adjustable band (dead band) of rpm in which= the motor will not activate so that it is not continuously hunting to find= the correct RPM. This is necessary because the motors are not usually rated for 100% duty cy= cle. If the adjustment motor is=A0run continously it would tend to over heat and= its life would be severely shortened. The=A0dead band=A0is the reason for the slow response of and electric prop. That is probably why aerobatics is not recommended with these props. It's all about compromise.=20 If a large enough motor were used to provide continous operation (without t= he deadband)=A0it could certainly keep up with the rigors of aerobatics, bu= t would probably require too much current and be too heavy to mount out the= re on the nose. =A0 Jim --- On Sun, 5/3/09, Charlie England wrote: Van probably says no N>acN>ro with electrics because they have much slower = response time than hydraulic props. Still not as bad as *no* response time from a fi= xed pitch, & they do acro all the time. :-) The issue is over-speed if they are in flat pitch going up & can't respond quickly enough to limit rpm going down. The throttle can solve this, just like it would with a fixed pitch pr= op; just extra work load for the pilot. A more significant question is whether = MT approves it for acro. Charlie -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.= html --0-501965462-1241408952=:2821 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hydraulic and electric constant speed pr= ops are two totally different animals.
You could say that hydraulic props are analog and that electrically ad= justable props are digital, as a good analogy.
Hydraulic constant speed props are constantly adjusting as the oil pre= ssure changes due to the output of the governor.
They are designed to have a relatively quick response and be operated = continuously and therefor ideal for aerobatics.
Conversely an electrically adjustable prop only changes the pitch in i= ncrements when the power to the motor is applied.
Most electric governors have an adjustable band (dead band) of rpm in = which the motor will not activate so that it is not continuously hunting to= find the correct RPM.
This is necessary because the motors are not usually rated for 100% du= ty cycle.
If the adjustment motor is run continously it would= tend to over heat and its life would be severely shortened.
The dead band is the reason for the slow response of and ele= ctric prop.
That is probably why aerobatics is not recommended with these props.
It's all about compromise.
If a large enough motor were used to provide continous operation (with= out the deadband) it could certainly keep up with the rigors of aeroba= tics, but would probably require too much current and be too heavy to mount= out there on the nose.
 
Jim

--- On Sun, 5/3/09, Charlie England <ceengland@bel= lsouth.net> wrote:
Van probably says no N>ac<=
/SPAN>N>ro with electrics because they have much slower re=
sponse
time than hydraulic props. Still not as bad as *no* response time from a fi=
xed
pitch, & they do acro all the time. :-) The issue is over-speed if they=
 are
in flat pitch going up & can't respond quickly enough to limit rpm goin=
g
down. The throttle can solve this, just like it would with a fixed pitch pr=
op;
just extra work load for the pilot. A more significant question is whether =
MT
approves it for acro.

Charlie

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