X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from EXHUB003-2.exch003intermedia.net ([207.5.74.29] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.12) with ESMTPS id 3483817 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 09 Feb 2009 08:48:07 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=207.5.74.29; envelope-from=jwhaley@datacast.com Received: from EXVMBX003-5.exch003intermedia.net ([207.5.74.45]) by EXHUB003-2.exch003intermedia.net ([207.5.74.29]) with mapi; Mon, 9 Feb 2009 05:47:09 -0800 From: Jeff Whaley To: Rotary motors in aircraft Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 05:47:28 -0800 Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Gas Tote for Auto Fuel burners Thread-Topic: [FlyRotary] Re: Gas Tote for Auto Fuel burners Thread-Index: AcmI5TRw4Ox09HZmRqyEJeaLiOtJwQB00ifA Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_C03ABB0A7362B84BB53D544B3C305E0ED13870FAA9EXVMBX0035exc_" MIME-Version: 1.0 --_000_C03ABB0A7362B84BB53D544B3C305E0ED13870FAA9EXVMBX0035exc_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for all your comments and questions ... I'll try to answer them ... = so far I'm buying only SHELL 80-87 unleaded which has no "posted" alcohol c= ontent, though I have never actually tested it; I have aluminum fuel tanks = and fuel line and/or alcohol-resistant marine hose at interconnect points, = so my main concern about alcohol is its lack of power per unit volume ... I= have airplanes at two different airports, both burning MOGAS, one is only = 2 miles from gas station the other is about 30 miles ... I live near Ottaw= a, Canada's capitol; I have driven by a few police cars with the gas tote = but have never had one follow me yet ... we are not allowed to store gasoli= ne in our hangars, but there is no law against transporting it to and from = the airport, just don't stock-pile it ... I kind of like George's suggestio= n to "cover it up", but this takes away the simplicity of the unit, it also= removes the warning sign to tailgaters ... I guess in hind-sight that a sm= all trailer that Harley's tow around might be the best solution. Jeff From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Beh= alf Of Al Gietzen Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 12:28 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Gas Tote for Auto Fuel burners Man, Jeff; that looks scary to me. Even a minor rear-ender and you've got = 15 gallons of gas splashed all over two vehicles, and possible friction spa= rks to set it off. Maybe best you put up with some fumes, and let the bump= er do its job. I don't know about where you live; but here in SoCal I expect the cops woul= d find half a dozen violations with that setup. I recently moved my plane to F70, which is in Riverside County; and was sur= prised to find in the regulations attached to the hangar lease that NO pers= on is allowed to fuel a plane ANYWHERE on the airport from 5-gallon contain= ers; and No person is allowed to fuel any airplane without written permissi= on from the airport director. Not mention that nNO person shall EVER fuel = a plane in a hangar. NO volatiles of any kind, including lubricants and pai= nt, can be kept in the hangar. So ordained by the County Board of Superviso= rs. How's that for extreme - or should I say absurd. And you have to nam= e the county as additional insured for any damage or liability relating to = the use of the hangar. These are simple all-metal T-hangars. I've been fueling from 5-gallon containers, in the hangar, for the past two= years at my previous location. And I did it again today when no-one was lo= oking - don't tell anyone. Al G -----Original Message----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Beh= alf Of Jeff Whaley Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 12:45 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Gas Tote for Auto Fuel burners I got tired of smelling and afraid of carrying gas behind the back seat of = my SUV, so I made this trailer-hitch carrier out of 1 1/4" pipe and an ATV= basket ... it's not bullet-proof, but if an accident occurs the gas is bet= ter off outside the vehicle than inside. Jeff --_000_C03ABB0A7362B84BB53D544B3C305E0ED13870FAA9EXVMBX0035exc_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks for all your comm= ents and questions ... I’ll try to answer them … so far I’m buying only SHELL 80-87 unleaded which has no “posted” alcohol content= , though I have never actually tested it; I have aluminum fuel tanks and fuel line and/or alcohol-resistant marine hose at interconnect points, so my mai= n concern about alcohol is its lack of power per unit volume … I have airplanes at two different airports, both burning MOGAS, one is only 2 mile= s from gas station the other is about 30 miles …  I live near Otta= wa, Canada’s capitol;  I have driven by a few police cars with the g= as tote but have never had one follow me yet … we are not allowed to sto= re gasoline in our hangars, but there is no law against transporting it to and from the airport, just don’t stock-pile it … I kind of like Geo= rge’s suggestion to “cover it up”, but this takes away the simplicity= of the unit, it also removes the warning sign to tailgaters … I guess in hind-sight that a small trailer that Harley’s tow around might be the best solution.

Jeff

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From: Rotary motors= in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Al Gietze= n
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 12:28 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Gas Tote for Auto Fuel burners

 

Man, Jeff; that looks scary to me.  Even a minor rear-ender and you’v= e got 15 gallons of gas splashed all over two vehicles, and possible friction sparks to set it off.  Maybe best you put up with some fumes, and let = the bumper do its job.

 

I don’t know about where you live; but here in SoCal I expect the cops would find half a dozen violations with that setup.

 

I recently moved my plane to F70, which is in Riverside County; and was surpr= ised to find in the regulations attached to the hangar lease that NO person is allowed to fuel a plane ANYWHERE on the airport from 5-gallon containers; a= nd No person is allowed to fuel any airplane without written permission from t= he airport director.  Not mention that nNO person shall EVER fuel a plane= in a hangar. NO volatiles of any kind, including lubricants and paint, can be = kept in the hangar. So ordained by the County Board of Supervisors.    How’s that for extreme – or should I say absurd. An= d you have to name the county as additional insured for any damage or liabili= ty relating to the use of the hangar.  These are simple all-metal T-hanga= rs.

 

I’ve been fueling from 5-gallon containers, in the hangar, for the past two year= s at my previous location. And I did it again today when no-one was looking R= 11; don’t tell anyone.

 

Al G

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]= On Behalf Of Jeff Whaley
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 12:45 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Gas Tote for Auto Fuel burners

 

I got tired of smelling and= afraid of carrying gas behind the back seat of my SUV, so I made this trailer-hitc= h carrier out of  1 1/4” pipe and an ATV basket … it’s= not bullet-proof, but if an accident occurs the gas is better off outside the vehicle than inside.

Jeff

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