X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com ([74.125.44.28] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.12) with ESMTP id 3460291 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:01:46 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=74.125.44.28; envelope-from=wgeslick@gmail.com Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 3so194156yxj.7 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 06:01:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=UWnzh5Sz80CC+sMwov88Uhf+lSvt+7cLTdeGYiNMeT8=; b=fKtV5AOA6K33wO94GNCZY7gKCL7g0jbf9ccEaoy3Cv2qULfE+2EIXC2JqGj8uVaYgT G+gf/IKnY01H13ag4m9a+8HvjWH0ncquazCFExa1hwpRBfapqozkD0Vl9I+hgEE/FHmm NxUlRE5kcZ3z/1ripo1QoBADVl7EMZiL/y5FM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=i3FUGKo/jj3SkBxD1SglIks989E23z/6kbV8ZcypFjHPrD1JdTCBon5R072jVo+uZK p5Y7ohouU2eoaPFyx/D4QPThMD1RidEzSAYtQx243Rnx+TI0KkbeZ9lUQA1P/g8rUbAK o9TEhyJEJQmFytEdsoPU1/8+Hvn4kiL4d1xDY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.64.213.8 with SMTP id l8mr727750qbg.3.1233324070487; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 06:01:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:01:10 -0600 Message-ID: <3c14c5540901300601h124e4dbbi581a0b0526d9c2b6@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Street porting From: Bill Eslick To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00c09f998d851d491f0461b3a318 --00c09f998d851d491f0461b3a318 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Your thoughts are appreciated, as always! Bill On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Lynn Hanover wrote: > Ed, > > I guess you have seen the Mazdatrix web site where they discourage the > whole porting thing with a 6-port. Just the opposite of what Lynn > proposes. > > Bill > > Well, > actually I did say that the closing point should not be later than 60-65 > degrees ABDC. And I'm sure that you noticed that the 6 port closes at 70 > degrees. Compared to the Periphery ports 75 degrees or he "J" bridge ports > (Racing Beat) 72 degrees. So the 6 port is real racy in stock form. And all > of the talk about not porting the 6 port irons leaves out the point that > they sell templates to port the 6 port irons. In fact the Owner, Dave Lemon > races an E Production Mazda convertible with a 6 port engine with irons > hogged out to form a 4 port engine. And it does suck real bad down low, > torque wise from low velocity flow. It come on like gangbusters all the way > up above 10,000 RPM. > > So, a 6 port is not really a great choice for airplane use, but it is not a > disaster like it would be in a street car. The idea is that once it gets up > to RPM, the effect of late closing is minimized. The run up to RPM would be > longer than an early closing intake. Like WOT in a panic, but that is not a > deal breaker. . > > The 6 port adds pieces and complexity to an engine few people understand. > But if you are crazy about rotaries like me, it won't bother you at all. > Just understand what you have and work with that. > > Lynn E. Hanover > > --00c09f998d851d491f0461b3a318 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Your thoughts are appreciated, as always!

Bill

On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Lynn Hanover <lehanover@gmail.com> wrote:
Ed,

I= guess you have seen the Mazdatrix web site where they discourage the whole= porting thing with a 6-port.  Just the opposite of what Lynn proposes= . 

Bill
 
Well,
actually I did say that the closing point should not be later than 60-= 65 degrees ABDC. And I'm sure that you noticed that the 6 port closes a= t 70 degrees. Compared to the Periphery ports 75 degrees or he "J"= ; bridge ports (Racing Beat) 72 degrees. So the 6 port is real racy in stoc= k form. And all of the talk about not porting the 6 port irons leaves out t= he point that they sell templates to port the 6 port irons. In fact the Own= er, Dave Lemon races an E Production Mazda convertible with a 6 port engine= with irons hogged out to form a 4 port engine. And it does suck real bad d= own low, torque wise from low velocity flow. It come on like gangbusters al= l the way up above 10,000 RPM.
 
So, a 6 port is not really a great choice for airplane use, but it is = not a disaster like it would be in a street car. The idea is that once it g= ets up to RPM, the effect of late closing is minimized. The run up to RPM w= ould be longer than an early closing intake. Like WOT in a panic, but that = is not a deal breaker. .
 
The 6 port adds pieces and complexity to an engine few people understa= nd. But if you are crazy about rotaries like me, it won't bother you at= all. Just understand what you have and work with that.
 
Lynn E. Hanover
 

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