Return-Path: Received: from smtp-1.mozcom.com ([61.9.0.101] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 2754092 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:30:25 -0500 Received: from localhost (smtp-1.mozcom.com [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-1.mozcom.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 59C671E7DD for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:30:23 +0800 (PHT) Received: from darkstar.mozcom.com (mozcom.com [202.47.132.18]) by smtp-1.mozcom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ADD01E5C3 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:30:23 +0800 (PHT) Received: from mozcom.com (dialup.msuiit.edu.ph [203.177.109.7]) by darkstar.mozcom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4831C5F86 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:30:15 +0800 (CST) Message-ID: <3FBD8F4E.AE9B94F0@mozcom.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:06:38 +0800 From: Marc de Piolenc Reply-To: piolenc@reporters.net Organization: Autodidactics X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Radiator size Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Listmates, I've been a lurker on this list for some time, monitoring it for information on aircraft rotary engine installations. I've learned a good deal, but haven't had much to say. I'm chiming in now because the topic is one that I am studying intensively in order to write a book about it. I'm co-author of the first in a series of books about ducted propulsors, called (appropriately enough) Ducted Fan Design, Vol. 1. It presents a very simplified method of designing ducted fans and propellers in which the duct or shroud length is at least equal to the diameter of the rotor. Subsequent volumes will deal with short shrouds and other topics, but volume 2 is now reserved for cooling systems. This was originally supposed to be just a chapter or two in a book devoted primarily to propulsion, but as I did my research I discovered that, just as aerodynamicist Bruce Carmichael had said in his book on drag reduction, there is a huge gap between what cooling systems should cost in terms of drag and shaft power, and what they actually do consume. Even more surprising, even people who devote their whole lives to reducing drag, more often than not have only a vague empirical notion of how to achieve that with cooling systems. Hence in an airplane where external drag has been carefully optimized, a large increment in performance is often still available from improving cooling drag. Better still, the cooling effect can usually be improved as well. Good information was available in the past on this subject for those willing to dig for it. Some engine design texts could teach optimization of the coolant side of things, while a few aerodynamics texts - notably Kuechemann & Weber's _Aerodynamics of Propulsion_ - could teach radiator installations. All that is out of print. What is more, putting all the necessary guidance into modern language and in one consistent notation should make Volume 2 more accessible in every sense. So much for the commercial. There are a lot of questions on the list about the proper size for a radiator, but it is far more important to define the cooling duct's parameters first. The only mention of the duct in the latest digest of messages concerned the inlet, but the EXIT of the duct is far more important, because that and the pressure drop through the radiator control, in the final analysis, the mass flow through the radiator - and that is what produces the cooling effect. It is possible to spoil the effect of a good exit by poor inlet design - by making the inlet lip too sharp or cambering it the wrong way - but it really takes an effort! I doubt there is anybody on this list whose inlet is wrong. The proper duct parameters, in turn, depend on the pressure-drop and heat-transfer characteristics of the radiator core, as expressed in the modification of Miley's equation that I used in my article published in Contact! issue number 62. Two parameters are needed to express a particular core's presure drop characteristics, and another two for heat transfer. Each relation requires only two measurements to determine the two parameters, since the form of the relation is known. What's more, the pressure drop measurements can be carried out with no heat transfer taking place, as there are procedures for correcting for the occurrence of heat transfer in designing the duct. For heat transfer, obviously, entry and exit temperatures DO need to be taken for both the coolant and the air, simultaneously with the pressure drop and flow rate. Even so, these can be taken at the SAME two speeds previously calibrated for the pressure drop measurements. As a result, both the test rig and the test procedure can be simplified by comparison with NACA's early radiator installation test rigs, which may have inspired Rube Goldberg. The only problem is, I don't know anybody in the amateur-builder community who is doing this, and I don't know whether the cores that you folks are using come with the necessary information already provided by the manufacturer. It is, after all, much easier to pick two points off a plot than to derive them from tests... I would very much like to know, because aside from needing to give valid guidance in volume 2, I will soon be starting on a hovercraft project for a Catholic parish located upriver from town and needing reliable transportation for farm goods one way, building materials the other way. Although I'll be buying plans for a proven h/c design, I will still be on my own where radiator installation is concerned, as the hover crowd are at the pre-1921 stage of development where a bare radiator was thought to give the best cooling effect. If anybody out there has manufacturer's pressure drop and/or heat transfer data for a core or finished radiator that he could scan and send me, I would be most grateful. It doesn't matter what core - I just need to test my work so far against real hardware currently on the market. Regards to all, Marc de Piolenc Mass Flow http://www89.pair.com/techinfo/MassFlow/ductbook.htm -- "The troops returning home are worried. 'We've lost the peace,' men tell you. 'We can't make it stick.' ... Friend and foe alike look you accusingly in the face and tell you how bitterly they are disappointed in you as an American. ... Never has American prestige in Europe been lower.... Instead of coming in with a bold plan of relief and reconstruction we came in full of evasions and apologies.... A great many Europeans feel that the cure has been worse than the disease. The taste of victory had gone sour in the mouth of every thoughtful American I met." --Life Magazine, January 7, 1946