X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from QMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.16] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.6) with ESMTP id 3076280 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 08:56:42 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.30.16; envelope-from=hoursaway1@comcast.net Received: from OMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.59]) by QMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 2AD31a00B1GXsucA1Cw2J0; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:56:02 +0000 Received: from amailcenter07.comcast.net ([204.127.225.107]) by OMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 2Cw21a0062KfMDo8TCw21X; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:56:02 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7g1VtSJxAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=JawNX3AAE5OTlX5DaksA:9 a=sT3CfJFc9bvQB2shMJvzjIu2z2wA:4 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=CWfAmLVWKswA:10 a=GIXVkeqMkAx0DT6KErMA:9 a=3KiCR9NVuN_kqcN7yK1M50915dMA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Received: from [208.254.22.50] by amailcenter07.comcast.net; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:56:01 +0000 From: hoursaway1@comcast.net To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: MoGas Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:56:01 +0000 Message-Id: <081420081256.26502.48A42B61000C39D8000067862216551406CE970E990E9C9D9A0108@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: aG91cnNhd2F5MUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_26502_1218718561_0" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_26502_1218718561_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm not Charlie either, but my brother-in-law Dave in Standish MI now receives a Gov. check because he agreed to commit some of his corn for ethanol use from his dairy farm, how is this helping????? David Cook RV6A Rotary ( WARNING!!!!!!! DO NOT USE TIGHT-SEAL FROM AIRCRAFT SPRUCE FOR SENDER COVERS ON FUEL TANKS, MOGAS WILL DISSOLVE & LEAK ) Re-sealing both tanks now, any suggestions as to what gskt. sealer (not permanent) to use? -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Al Gietzen" > I'm not Charlie but in my opinion, corn is one of the worst due to > competition w/ food consumers. > ------------- > > I'm not Charlie either, but in my opinion corn is the worst because it is a > no-gainer - meaning it takes as much energy (+- depending on data source) to > produce the corn and make the ethanol as you get back from the ethanol. And > burning ethanol still puts CO2 into the atmosphere. If it weren't for the > heavy lobbying (read campaign contributions and other perks for politicians) > by the major grain companies (ADM, Cargil, etc.) over the past decade or > more; who are now making big bucks producing the stuff from corn with > government subsidies - there would not be a corn/ethanol program in this > country. > > Making ethanol from sugar cane, as they do in Brazil, makes some sense. > They are achieving energy out/energy in of greater than 8 : 1 in the newer > plants. > > Al G > > > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_26502_1218718561_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

I'm not Charlie either, but my brother-in-law Dave in Standish MI now receives a Gov. check because he agreed to commit some of his corn for ethanol use from his dairy farm, how is this helping????? David Cook RV6A Rotary ( WARNING!!!!!!! DO NOT USE TIGHT-SEAL FROM AIRCRAFT SPRUCE FOR SENDER COVERS ON FUEL TANKS, MOGAS WILL DISSOLVE & LEAK ) Re-sealing both tanks now, any suggestions as to what gskt. sealer (not permanent) to use?

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From: "Al Gietzen" <ALVentures@cox.net>

> I'm not Charlie but in my opinion, corn is one of the worst due to
> competition w/ food consumers.
> -------------
>
> I'm not Charlie either, but in my opinion corn is the worst because it is a
> no-gainer - meaning it takes as much energy (+- depending on data source) to
> produce the corn and make the ethanol as you get back from the ethanol. And
> burning ethanol still puts CO2 into the atmosphere. If it weren't for the
> heavy lobbying (read campaign contributions and other perks for politicians)
> by the major grain companies (ADM, Cargil, etc.) over the past decade or
> more; who are now making big bucks producing the stuff from corn with
> government subsidies - there would not be a corn/ethanol program in this
> country.
>
> Making ethanol from sugar cane, as they do in Brazil, makes some sense.
> They are achieving energy out/energy in of greater than 8 : 1 in the newer
> plants.
>
> Al G
>
>
>
> --
> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/
> Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html

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