X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au ([211.29.132.187] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.6) with ESMTPS id 3075939 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 03:03:34 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=211.29.132.187; envelope-from=lendich@optusnet.com.au Received: from george (d220-236-219-247.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au [220.236.219.247]) by mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id m7E72jTN018395 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:02:47 +1000 Message-ID: <000a01c8fddb$c400efc0$6400a8c0@george> From: "George Lendich" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Mogas Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:02:48 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C8FE2F.94961180" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080813-0, 13/08/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C8FE2F.94961180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The number 2 yellow corn for food stock is required to have less than = 10% water content. And other requirements like few damaged kernals, and = so-on. About $7.00 per bushel. For Ethanol, the requirement is less than 30% water content, so in = most cases the farmer does not need to dry it. A big savings, even = though less money is paid for brewing corn. About 6.23 per bushel. About = 2 gallons of ethanol is produced from each bushel. How much energy/ fuel = is expended to brew each bushel, I could not find. The water corn mash must be boiled to remove the alcohol, but if they = pump it down to lower pressures, less heat is required. Each gallon = earns the distiller about $2.34 when last I checked. There were over = 100 new distillers cooking corn, with more being built. So the E85 is = close to all alcohol and you pay closer to $4.00 for $2.34 worth of = alcohol. The oil companies love you.=20 If the government quit all subsidies for ethanol, to farmers, brewers, = and the oil companies, and the EPA stopped screwing with dozens of = formula for each area of the country. The oil companies would not buy = one gallon of alcohol, for motor fuel.=20 Ethanol in motor fuel is a construct of the US government trying to = satisfy the tree huggers. Nothing more. The EPAs last great idea to reduce the evil fumes was a fuel additive = known as MTBE (Methyl-Tertiary-Butyl- Ether). A vile poison that does not break down into anything else. It = is now in every water supply in the US in some quantity. Even water = wells miles from roadways (where there are huge concentrations) Now you = breath it on the freeway. It is the fuel for every known malady and = birth problem. It was forced on the oil companies who wanted nothing to = do with it. It is now outlawed federally, but before that each state = outlawed its use before the feds admitted it was a horrible idea. More = tree hugger crap. And the folks who love them.=20 We sit on a 600 year supply of oil. We are not permitted to drill for = it. I take pictures of Manatees at a Nuke power plant, converted to coal = burning at the cost of God knows what, so the tree huggers would be = happy. This coal plant scrubs the smoke to nothingness. Hauls it away to who = knows where so all of the delightful chemical compounds made in coal = smoke will turn up in the water some day.=20 Now the electric bill includes the never finished nuke plant and the = coal fired plant built on the site.=20 The wind farms now produce less than one percent of all electrical = power. With a trillion dollars and a big moon landing push that could be = 5% in 10 years. T Boons idea is to build wind power and use the natural = gas that powers electrical generators in power stations to liquid and = run cars on that. The stations would need to be manned and on standby, = because the wind sometimes won't blow fast enough. Generally a 95% back = up must be maintained for wind generators. Another problem is that we = import 20% of the natural gas we use now. That used to be zero. It was = found along with oil but now we don't drill many wells anymore do we? = See California.............................See California buy massive = amounts of power from Canada.........see California have rolling = outages, and brown outs.=20 And they want a million electric cars. With no electrical grid to run = all of the demand they have now.=20 We are in the hands of Genius...................in the Wile E. Coyote = sense of the term. Lynn E. Hanover Lynn, Do I detect a note of disillusionment/ frustration? George ( down under) ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C8FE2F.94961180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
The number 2 yellow corn for food stock is required to have less = than 10%=20 water content. And other requirements like few damaged kernals, and = so-on.=20 About $7.00 per bushel.
 
For Ethanol, the requirement is less than 30% water content, so = in most=20 cases the farmer does not need to dry it. A big savings, even though = less=20 money is paid for brewing corn. About 6.23 per bushel. About 2 = gallons of=20 ethanol is produced from each bushel. How much energy/ fuel is = expended to=20 brew each bushel, I could not find.
 
The water corn mash must be boiled to remove the alcohol, but if = they=20 pump it down to lower pressures, less heat is required. Each gallon = earns the=20 distiller about $2.34 when last I checked.  There were over 100 = new=20 distillers cooking corn, with more being built. So the E85 is close to = all=20 alcohol and you pay closer to $4.00 for $2.34 worth of alcohol. The = oil=20 companies love you. 
 
If the government quit all subsidies for ethanol, to farmers, = brewers,=20 and the oil companies, and the EPA stopped screwing with dozens of = formula for=20 each area of the country. The oil companies would not buy one gallon = of=20 alcohol, for motor fuel.
 
Ethanol in motor fuel is a construct of the US government trying = to=20 satisfy the tree huggers. Nothing more.
 
The EPAs last great idea to reduce the evil fumes was a fuel = additive=20 known as MTBE (Methyl-Tertiary-Butyl-
Ether). A vile poison that does not break down into anything = else. It is=20 now in every water supply in the US in some quantity. Even water wells = miles=20 from roadways (where there are huge concentrations) Now you breath it = on the=20 freeway. It is the fuel for every known malady and birth problem. It = was=20 forced on the oil companies who wanted nothing to do with it. It is = now=20 outlawed federally, but before that each state outlawed its use before = the=20 feds admitted it was a horrible idea. More tree hugger crap. And the = folks who=20 love them.
 
We sit on a 600 year supply of oil. We are not permitted to drill = for it.=20 I take pictures of Manatees at a Nuke power plant, converted to coal = burning=20 at the cost of God knows what, so the tree huggers would be = happy.
 
This coal plant scrubs the smoke to nothingness. Hauls it away to = who=20 knows where so all of the delightful chemical compounds made in coal=20 smoke will turn up in the water some day.
 
Now the electric bill includes the never finished nuke plant and = the coal=20 fired plant built on the site.
The wind farms now produce less than one percent of all = electrical power.=20 With a trillion dollars and a big moon landing push that could be 5% = in 10=20 years. T Boons idea is to build wind power and use = the natural=20 gas that powers electrical generators in power stations to = liquid=20 and run cars on that. The stations would need to be manned and=20 on standby, because the wind sometimes won't  blow fast = enough. Generally a 95% back up must be maintained for wind = generators.=20 Another problem is that we import 20% of the natural gas we use now. = That used=20 to be zero. It was found along with oil but now we don't drill many = wells=20 anymore do we?  See California.............................See = California=20 buy massive amounts of power from Canada.........see California have = rolling=20 outages, and brown outs. 
 
And they want a million electric cars. With no electrical grid to = run all=20 of the demand they have now.
 
We are in the hands of Genius...................in the Wile E. = Coyote=20 sense of the term.
 
Lynn E. Hanover
 
Lynn,
Do I detect a note of disillusionment/ frustration?
George ( down under)
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