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Lynn Hanover wrote:
> In a message dated 8/13/2008 6:49:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
> hjjohnson@sasktel.net <mailto:hjjohnson@sasktel.net> writes:
>
>     I'm not Charlie but in my opinion, corn is one of the worst due to
>     competition w/ food consumers. The best option for producing
>     ethanol in my opinion would be Algae, totally renewable and if
>     used in the correct varieties, it grows VERY fast. You can add
>     waste to the mix to keep the nutrients needed to grow it and
>     there-bye dispose of two nasties w/ the same stone.. it's an
>     emerging market but in time it will replace alot of the food
>     variety's currently used.
>
>     Remember back in college when we used to try and decide.. gas
>     money or food [or beer]...  anytime you have those two
>     competing... it's gonna hurt in the long run..
>
>     Just my opinion..
>
>     Jarrett Johnson
>
>  
> The number 2 yellow corn for food stock is required to have less than 
> 10% water content. And other requirements like few damaged kernals, 
> and so-on. About $7.00 per bushel.
>  
> For Ethanol, the requirement is less than 30% water content, so in 
> most cases the farmer does not need to dry it. A big savings, even 
> though less money is paid for brewing corn. About 6.23 per bushel. 
> About 2 gallons of ethanol is produced from each bushel. How much 
> energy/ fuel is expended to brew each bushel, I could not find.
>  
> The water corn mash must be boiled to remove the alcohol, but if they 
> pump it down to lower pressures, less heat is required. Each gallon 
> earns the distiller about $2.34 when last I checked.  There were over 
> 100 new distillers cooking corn, with more being built. So the E85 is 
> close to all alcohol and you pay closer to $4.00 for $2.34 worth of 
> alcohol. The oil companies love you. 
>  
> If the government quit all subsidies for ethanol, to farmers, brewers, 
> and the oil companies, and the EPA stopped screwing with dozens of 
> formula for each area of the country. The oil companies would not buy 
> one gallon of alcohol, for motor fuel.
>  
> Ethanol in motor fuel is a construct of the US government trying to 
> satisfy the tree huggers. Nothing more.
>  
> The EPAs last great idea to reduce the evil fumes was a fuel additive 
> known as MTBE (Methyl-Tertiary-Butyl-
> Ether). A vile poison that does not break down into anything else. It 
> is now in every water supply in the US in some quantity. Even water 
> wells miles from roadways (where there are huge concentrations) Now 
> you breath it on the freeway. It is the fuel for every known malady 
> and birth problem. It was forced on the oil companies who wanted 
> nothing to do with it. It is now outlawed federally, but before that 
> each state outlawed its use before the feds admitted it was a horrible 
> idea. More tree hugger crap. And the folks who love them.
>  
> We sit on a 600 year supply of oil. We are not permitted to drill for 
> it. I take pictures of Manatees at a Nuke power plant, converted to 
> coal burning at the cost of God knows what, so the tree huggers would 
> be happy.
>  
> This coal plant scrubs the smoke to nothingness. Hauls it away to who 
> knows where so all of the delightful chemical compounds made in coal 
> smoke will turn up in the water some day.
>  
> Now the electric bill includes the never finished nuke plant and the 
> coal fired plant built on the site.
> The wind farms now produce less than one percent of all electrical 
> power. With a trillion dollars and a big moon landing push that could 
> be 5% in 10 years. T Boons idea is to build wind power and use 
> the natural gas that powers electrical generators in power stations to 
> liquid and run cars on that. The stations would need to be manned and 
> on standby, because the wind sometimes won't  blow fast 
> enough. Generally a 95% back up must be maintained for wind 
> generators. Another problem is that we import 20% of the natural gas 
> we use now. That used to be zero. It was found along with oil but now 
> we don't drill many wells anymore do we?  See 
> California.............................See California buy massive 
> amounts of power from Canada.........see California have rolling 
> outages, and brown outs. 
>  
> And they want a million electric cars. With no electrical grid to run 
> all of the demand they have now.
>  
> We are in the hands of Genius...................in the Wile E. Coyote 
> sense of the term.
>  
> Lynn E. Hanover

While I agree with your sentiments on government bureaucracy,  and a lot 
of the more extreme EPA bureaucratic actions, if you want to see the USA 
without any tree huggers just tune in to the outdoor events at the Olympics.

I'd have to disagree about ethanol in mogas & tree huggers. It's there 
to satisfy the corporate corn lobby.

While we are complaining about government stupidity (or more accurately, 
corruption), we might want to mention the massive tax breaks we are 
giving the oil companies while they invest nothing in new refineries or 
developing the drilling sites they already control.

Charlie