X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from QMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.16] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.3) with ESMTP id 2932260 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 21 May 2008 12:48:49 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.62.16; envelope-from=cbarber@texasattorney.net Received: from OMTA12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.44]) by QMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id UFi81Z0050xGWP85107S00; Wed, 21 May 2008 16:48:09 +0000 Received: from your0loco35imu ([98.200.107.125]) by OMTA12.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id UGo41Z00U2iMkLq3Y00000; Wed, 21 May 2008 16:48:07 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Zjl09ZR6Xg0A:10 a=QDe7h6UY0wMA:10 a=1smD-OdSpUGOFAnQGvsA:9 a=zTAj7DqV1ljYpCAEaUsA:7 a=qt4VQ3NGM6Y1S07KnTjcrq1nAbYA:4 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=WN8zLioqDSwA:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=d0oCGfUNb6Cfb-WLU20A:9 a=xfieZwmrj6fsv_REZT8A:7 a=R_mKtzlGiSzSNED1k3r0gOLqFPUA:4 a=WD2S8eiFAUIA:10 a=V9aB5C61OLQA:10 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 From: "Christopher Barber" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Site gage tube tore like wet cardboard, YIKES Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 13:47:46 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_010D_01C8D3A5.633918D0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_010D_01C8D3A5.633918D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, the manual covers the site gages but it is not written for a rotary install using auto fuel instead of 100LL. Chris -----Original Message----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]On Behalf Of Bill Bradburry Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:35 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Site gage tube tore like wet cardboard, YIKES Does the Velocity kit not have instructions regarding the fuel tank sight glass? How to? Materials, etc? Bill B ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Christopher Barber Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 6:54 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Site gage tube tore like wet cardboard, YIKES This may be one of these "known issues" that I was just clueless about, but a couple of weeks ago I arrived at the hangar to the strong smell of fuel in the air. Uh oh. I went to the plane and found about a 1/4 inch of fuel in the fuselage. What gives? I had just removed the old engine (13b) to build a new one when I found coolant in the rotor housings. I thought that perhaps moving the fuel lines around behind the firewall may have allowed fuel to flow in a wired way and it drained into the cabin.....not sure, but first things first, lets clean the fuel up......anyone got a cigarette???? After all was clean and no more fuel was leaking I put the issue on the back burner to think about it and to check all the lines. I am waiting for the PSRU to come back from Tracy so I am doing some major "clean up" of "proof of concept" wire runs etc. As I was re-running the wire that goes to the strake (Velocity SE) fuel sender I had to move the wire around the "clear" tubing that is used as a site gage in the strake luggage area. To my shock the tubing ripped with just a slight touch. In my dismay I pressed it with my fingernail and my nail cut clean through it. I looked and found a crack on the pilot side tubing. Hmmmmmm, since I checked all my aluminum connections inside the cabin and all were secure and, the sump was still full of fuel I am guessin' I found my fuel leak. Is this common? What did I do wrong? My first thought is this clear tubing is NOT compatible with auto gas. I have been fuel with local auto gas from the local station. I don't remember but it MAY have some ethanol included. I do not have much concerns there is issue with the tanks themselves as they were coated with Jeffco way back when. What tubing would y'all recommend for this use, that is clear AND not subject to deteriorating? Really, it tore like wet cardboard. I must have completely missed earlier discussion on this problem. But, alas, would much rather find it now. I got some regular black fuel lines to use until I find a solution so I can continue my engine development as my PSRU arrived back today. Thanks all. All the best, Chris Houston Velocity SE/FG w/ rotary 13b ------=_NextPart_000_010D_01C8D3A5.633918D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes,=20 the manual covers the site gages but it is not written for a rotary = install=20 using auto fuel instead of 100LL.
 
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20 [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]On Behalf Of Bill=20 Bradburry
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:35 = AM
To:=20 Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Site gage = tube=20 tore like wet cardboard, YIKES

Does the Velocity kit not have instructions = regarding=20 the fuel tank sight glass?  How to?  Materials, etc?=20

 

Bill = B 

 


From:=20 Rotary motors in aircraft = [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On=20 Behalf Of Christopher Barber
Sent:
Tuesday, May 20, 2008 = 6:54=20 PM
To: = Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Site gage = tube tore=20 like wet cardboard, YIKES

This may be one of these = "known=20 issues" that I was just clueless about, but a couple of weeks ago I = arrived at=20 the hangar to the strong smell of fuel in the air.  Uh oh.  = I went=20 to the plane and found about a 1/4 inch of fuel in the fuselage.  = What=20 gives?  I had just removed the old engine (13b) to build a new = one when I=20 found coolant in the rotor housings.  I thought that perhaps = moving the=20 fuel lines around behind the firewall may have allowed fuel to flow in = a wired=20 way and it drained into the cabin.....not sure, but first things = first, lets=20 clean the fuel up......anyone got a cigarette????=20 <g>

 

After all was = clean  and no=20 more fuel was leaking I put the issue on the back burner to think = about it and=20 to check all the lines.  I am waiting for the PSRU to come back = from=20 Tracy so I am doing some major "clean up" of "proof of concept" wire = runs=20 etc. 

 

As I was re-running the = wire that=20 goes to the strake (Velocity SE) fuel sender I had to move the wire = around the=20 "clear" tubing that is used as a site gage in the strake luggage = area. =20 To my shock the tubing ripped with just a slight touch.  In my = dismay I=20 pressed it with my fingernail and my nail cut clean through it.  = I looked=20 and found a crack on the pilot side tubing.  Hmmmmmm, since I = checked all=20 my aluminum connections inside the cabin and all were secure and, the = sump was=20 still full of fuel I am guessin' I found my fuel=20 leak.

 

Is this common?  = What did I=20 do wrong?  My first thought is this clear tubing is NOT = compatible with=20 auto gas. I have been fuel with local auto gas from the local = station.  I=20 don't remember but it MAY have some ethanol included.  I do not = have much=20 concerns there is issue with the tanks themselves as they were coated = with=20 Jeffco way back when.

 

What tubing would y'all = recommend=20 for this use, that is clear AND not subject to deteriorating?  = Really, it=20 tore like wet cardboard.  I must have completely missed earlier=20 discussion on this problem.  But, alas, would much rather find it = now.  I got some regular black fuel lines to use until I find a = solution=20 so I can continue my engine development as my PSRU arrived back=20 today.

 

Thanks=20 all.

 

All the=20 best,

 

Chris

Houston

 

Velocity SE/FG w/ rotary = = 13b

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