X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.120] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.2) with ESMTP id 2893013 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 04 May 2008 12:23:02 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=75.180.132.120; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Received: from edward2 ([75.191.186.236]) by cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com with SMTP id <20080504162222.RPKP720.cdptpa-omta05.mail.rr.com@edward2> for ; Sun, 4 May 2008 16:22:22 +0000 Message-ID: <001101c8ae03$0ded9cb0$2402a8c0@edward2> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Jet A rotary approach [FlyRotary] Re: Jet-A Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 12:22:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C8ADE1.868FB170" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C8ADE1.868FB170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sounds good to me, just want to see it demonstrated first, before I go = chugging up to the Jet A fuel pump {:>).=20 I will look forward to your article, Pat. Because I know this has been = tried numberous times before and while there have been various research = engines that ran with this configuration - my question is why did it = never evolve to an operational engine. It certainly may be possible, but I really don't think our current = rotary set up would do it. But here is a possible = approach................................ Ok, Dave, You put the Jet A in your tank and I'll pay for a tank of it. = But, first, I would check to make certain it doesn't gum up your = injectors/pumps or other such problems - because my understanding is = that it gets a lot more viscous at cooler temps than does gasoline. How about this approach, Dave - route the Jet A to say the primary or = secondary injectors (your choice) using some temporary fuel lines from = an external tank - then fire up the engine with the Mogas injectors = only active. Once warmed up and running switch on the secondary = injectors with the Jet A. Assuming that it continues to run (perhaps = with some mixture adjustment)with both the mogas and Jet A, then switch = off the primary (Mogas) injectors and see if it will continue to run. = Using an external tank would ensure that you do not contaminate your = tanks and plumbing. Recommend doing this on the ground {:>) Ed Perhaps the time has come? Ed ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Patrick Panzera=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 12:05 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Jet-A I love that scientific talk.=20 =20 Mistral is working on the JetA for fuel idea.=20 =20 RotaMax has done it. =20 After they get done with their ASTM stuff to become an OEM engine for = the LSA market, they'll be focusing on their R&D efforts to complete their = turbocharging program. ASTM too. Then they'll get back to their original (and successful) efforts to = run their engines on heavy fuels via spark ignition and could eventually end up with a flexible-fuel = engine. They have also completed their propane r&d and are running in that trim for industrial = applications. =20 I'm working on an exhaustive article on them for the next issue of = CONTACT! Magazine. =20 Pat ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C8ADE1.868FB170 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sounds good to me,  just want to = see it=20 demonstrated first, before I go chugging up to the Jet A fuel pump=20 {:>). 
 
 I will look forward to your = article,=20 Pat.  Because I know this has been tried numberous times before and = while=20 there have been various research engines that ran with this = configuration -=20 my question is why did it never evolve to an operational = engine.
 
It certainly may be possible, but I = really don't=20 think our current rotary set up would do it.  But here is a = possible=20 approach................................
 
Ok, Dave, You put the Jet A in your = tank and I'll=20 pay for a tank of it.  But, first, I would check to make certain it = doesn't=20 gum up your injectors/pumps or other such problems - because my = understanding is=20 that it gets a lot more viscous at cooler temps than does = gasoline.
 
How about this approach, Dave  - = route the=20 Jet A to say the primary or secondary injectors (your choice) using = some=20 temporary fuel lines from an external tank -  then fire = up the=20 engine with the Mogas injectors only active.   Once = warmed up and=20 running switch on the secondary injectors with the Jet A.  Assuming = that it=20 continues to run (perhaps with some mixture adjustment)with both the = mogas and=20 Jet A, then switch off the primary (Mogas) injectors and see if it will = continue=20 to run. Using an external tank would ensure that you do not = contaminate=20 your tanks and plumbing.   Recommend doing this on the = ground=20 {:>)
 
Ed
 
 
 
Perhaps the time has come?
 
Ed
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Patrick Panzera =
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 = 12:05 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Jet-A

I love that scientific = talk.=20

 

Mistral is working on the = JetA for fuel=20 idea.

 

RotaMax has = done=20 it.

 

After they = get done=20 with their ASTM stuff to become an OEM engine for the LSA=20 market,

they=92ll = be focusing=20 on their R&D efforts to complete their turbocharging program. ASTM = too.

Then = they=92ll get back=20 to their original (and successful) efforts to run their engines on = heavy=20 fuels

via spark = ignition=20 and could eventually end up with a flexible-fuel engine. They have = also=20 completed

their = propane r&d=20 and are running in that trim for industrial=20 applications.

 

I=92m = working on an=20 exhaustive article on them for the next issue of CONTACT!=20 Magazine.

 

Pat

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