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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:38:20 -0500
From: "Mark Steitle" <msteitle@gmail.com>
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Metric Bolts
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Chris,
Last August, when I was preparing for the first flight in my airplane, it
became very, very clear that I had set the standards for my airplane all
throughout the building process, just as you are setting the standards for
your airplane as you build.  Now I do the checking everytime I fly, and so
will you someday.  So, be very careful where you set your standards as you
will be trusting your life to it.  ;-)

A while back a fellow homebuilder and I were discussing my decision to use a
"non-certified" engine in my airplane.  He stated that the only difference
between him and me was that I was a little further out on the limb than
him.  Although I could argue that it was the other way around (IMHO), I
thought it was an interesting perspective none the less.

Mark


On 3/27/08, Christopher Barber <CBarber@texasattorney.net> wrote:
>
>  Mark,
>
> I ama gussen' that Lynn is talking about the Grade 5 and Grade 8 (usually
> gold in color, I think) hardware that is available from Lowes and HD.  IIRC,
> one of these is comparable to certain Mil Spec. It may even be the "lower"
> Grade 5 which depending on the application could be used without issue or
> great concern.  Of course your mileage and comfort level may vary.
>
> That being said, exactly what "standards" are being adhered to and who is
> doing the checking is unknown to me just like my aviation parts<g>.  FWIW.
>
> All the best,
>
> Chris
>
>
> Christopher Barber
> Attorney and Counselor at Law
> 5116 Bissonnet, No 418
> Bellaire, Texas 77401
>
> Serving the Needs of Senior Texans through
> Planning with Purpose
>
> 281-464-LAWS (5297)
> 281-754-4168 Fax
> www.TexasAttorney.net <http://www.texasattorney.net/>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]*On
> Behalf Of *Mark Steitle
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 27, 2008 7:04 AM
> *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft
> *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Metric Bolts
>
> Lynn,
> Personally, I wouldn't feel comfortable using the grade of hardware
> typically found at the home stores.  Should be fine for plugging up a hole
> here and there, but not for holding the airplane together.  The bolts I
> bought at the NAPA store were very high grade, same as those from American
> Bolt.  Not so from Home Depot.
>
> Mark S.
>
>
> On 3/26/08, Lehanover@aol.com <Lehanover@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >  Lowes has metric bolts nuts and screws.
> >
> > Lynn E. Hanover
> >
> >
> >
> >  In a message dated 3/26/2008 12:37:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > msteitle@gmail.com writes:
> >
> > Al,
> > I found a pretty good supply of metric bolts at the neighborhood NAPA
> > store.  They keep the bins behind the counter because people tend to rummage
> > through them with no reguard for the next guy.  They have
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > .
> >
>
>

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<div>Chris, </div>
<div>Last August, when I was preparing for the first flight in my airplane, it became very, very clear that I&nbsp;had set the standards for my airplane all throughout the building process,&nbsp;just as&nbsp;you are setting the standards for your airplane as you build.&nbsp;&nbsp;Now I do the checking everytime&nbsp;I fly, and so will you someday.&nbsp; So, be very careful&nbsp;where you set your standards as you will be trusting your life to it.&nbsp; ;-)</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>A while back a&nbsp;fellow&nbsp;homebuilder and I were discussing my decision to use a &quot;non-certified&quot; engine in my airplane.&nbsp; He&nbsp;stated that the only difference between him and me was that I was a little further out on the limb than him.&nbsp; Although I could argue that it was the other way around (IMHO), I thought it was an interesting perspective none the less.</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Mark<br><br>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 3/27/08, <b class="gmail_sendername">Christopher Barber</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:CBarber@texasattorney.net">CBarber@texasattorney.net</a>&gt; wrote:</span>
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<div><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">Mark,</font></span></div>
<div><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"></font></span>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">I ama gussen&#39; that Lynn is talking about the Grade 5 and Grade 8 (usually gold in color, I think)&nbsp;hardware that is available from Lowes and HD.&nbsp; IIRC, one of these is comparable to certain Mil Spec. It may even be the &quot;lower&quot; Grade 5 which depending on the application could be used without issue or great concern.&nbsp; Of course your mileage and comfort level may vary.</font></span></div>

<div><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"></font></span>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">That being said, exactly what &quot;standards&quot; are being adhered to and who is doing the checking is unknown to me just like my aviation parts&lt;g&gt;.&nbsp; FWIW.</font></span></div>

<div><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"></font></span>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">All the best,</font></span></div>
<div><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"></font></span>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">Chris</font></span></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<p><font size="2">Christopher Barber<br>Attorney and Counselor at Law<br>5116 Bissonnet, No 418<br>Bellaire, Texas 77401<br><br>Serving the Needs of Senior Texans through<br>Planning with Purpose<br><br>281-464-LAWS (5297)<br>
281-754-4168 Fax<br><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://www.texasattorney.net/" target="_blank">www.TexasAttorney.net</a> </font></p>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font face="Tahoma" size="2">-----Original Message-----<br><b>From:</b> Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net" target="_blank">flyrotary@lancaironline.net</a>]<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Steitle<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 27, 2008 7:04 AM<br><b>To:</b> Rotary motors in aircraft<br><b>Subject:</b> [FlyRotary] Re: Metric Bolts<br><br></font></div>
<div>Lynn, </div>
<div>Personally, I wouldn&#39;t feel comfortable using the grade of hardware typically found at the home stores.&nbsp; Should be fine for plugging up a hole here and there, but not for holding the airplane together.&nbsp; The bolts I bought at the NAPA store were very high grade, same&nbsp;as those from American Bolt.&nbsp; Not so from Home Depot.&nbsp; </div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Mark S.<br><br>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 3/26/08, <b class="gmail_sendername"><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:Lehanover@aol.com" target="_blank">Lehanover@aol.com</a></b> &lt;<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:Lehanover@aol.com" target="_blank">Lehanover@aol.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span> 
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<div>Lowes has metric bolts nuts and screws.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Lynn E. Hanover</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>
<div>In a message dated 3/26/2008 12:37:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:msteitle@gmail.com" target="_blank">msteitle@gmail.com</a> writes:</div>
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<div>Al, </div>
<div>I found a pretty good supply of metric bolts at the neighborhood NAPA store.&nbsp; They keep the bins behind the counter because people tend to rummage through them with no reguard for the next guy.&nbsp; They have </div></font></blockquote>
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