X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from hs-out-0708.google.com ([64.233.178.245] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.1) with ESMTP id 2817265 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:48:55 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.233.178.245; envelope-from=rwstracy@gmail.com Received: by hs-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id x43so2970683hsb.3 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 08:48:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=JUge99ynYk1JjgGl5gmu5kBh18gVRO7lUcWnQk+DcYc=; b=KPum4HNeYYr0EhlQWzOr+wWmT5b1SIEb+42w3/lSmh8BXdL/G2kbP0M3dEv6tqekVt9SdM+9k0n2kO9NKpd//UrvmSfZVEr+EFVTCtnKyJlrp8x9MAEvUofGNKk9HQCmEoh6IRV3HLYTaUHXZ8JbNIGHJI2x3umibLavRbYdeGo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=e5HmxJq1XMUxKDKQzQlimgvEhf5UleWQjqzxRnsRZ+T6ueL/yJaslHIQTB0w3LLnVNo9PlSMaNXmnuW3viWyWYugMr5EJh2AmrBGxbmrzD6QanpoWoZSCUrltYaWKVJVB6/5wnKOH1TnAwjGH92sx5YibjplK17tkCu6yT3XerA= Received: by 10.100.225.19 with SMTP id x19mr18902437ang.5.1206460095852; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 08:48:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.133.10 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 08:48:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1b4b137c0803250848k1c7d3e58r73087c763674e372@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:48:15 -0400 From: "Tracy Crook" Sender: rwstracy@gmail.com To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Using OMP rotor housing only In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_12356_27631888.1206460095840" References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: b77df99d2caf0a07 ------=_Part_12356_27631888.1206460095840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline That's it. Make sure no JB or whatever runs into the housing. Tracy On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 11:40 AM, Al Gietzen wrote: > I've been considering dissing the OMP and going to premix. My engine is > currently off the plane for plumbing changes (oil/water xchanger install) > and rework of wing-root radiator air inlet. This may be a good time. Is it > as simple as removing the OMP, blanking it off with a plate, and closing the > ports in the housing nozzles with JB Weld? > > > > Al > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] *On > Behalf Of *Lehanover@aol.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 25, 2008 7:18 AM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Using OMP rotor housing only > > > > The engine will run for some time with the OMP not doing anything. Some > of my gifted engines have had the hoses broken off. There will be a slight > amount of oil added from the oil scrapers on the rotor sides not being > perfect. The scrapers will also scrape off unburned fuel and mix it with the > crankcase oil. High oil temps will remove most of that fuel through the > breather. Note that crankcase breather gases are explosive. A good reason to > smell the dipstick when ever it is out. > > > > So, as the engine wears out the scrapers it starts needing less top oil. > > > > The only downside to injecting into the housings is poor distribution. It > leaves a boat wake looking stain on the chrome. So, it looks to me like some > of that microscopic amount of oil is discarded without helping anyone. It > seems to me that the best case is the premix. If I were to use the OMP, I > would drop it all in behind the Throttle Body, or into each throat on a > carb. Or if you are a purist, into the float bowl. > > > > Years ago synthetic crank case oil was specifically not recommended by > Mazda. (because of gumming) > > > > Lynn E. Hanover > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/25/2008 10:43:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > ALVentures@cox.net writes: > > So it would also seem to me that using the OMP with 2-cycle oil in this > scenario is significantly different than pre-mix. But is it as effective, > more effective, or worse?? > > > > ------------------------------ > > Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home > . > ------=_Part_12356_27631888.1206460095840 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
That's it.  Make sure no JB or whatever runs into the housing.
 
Tracy

On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 11:40 AM, Al Gietzen <ALVentures@cox.net> wrote:

I've been considering dissing the OMP and going to premix. My engine is currently off the plane for plumbing changes (oil/water xchanger install) and rework of wing-root radiator air inlet. This may be a good time.  Is it as simple as removing the OMP, blanking it off with a plate, and closing the ports in the housing nozzles with JB Weld?

 

Al

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Lehanover@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 7:18 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Using OMP rotor housing only

 

The engine will run for some time with the OMP not doing anything. Some of my gifted engines have had the hoses broken off. There will be a slight amount of oil added from the oil scrapers on the rotor sides not being perfect. The scrapers will also scrape off unburned fuel and mix it with the crankcase oil. High oil temps will remove most of that fuel through the breather. Note that crankcase breather gases are explosive. A good reason to smell the dipstick when ever it is out.

 

So, as the engine wears out the scrapers it starts needing less top oil.

 

The only downside to injecting into the housings is poor distribution. It leaves a boat wake looking stain on the chrome. So, it looks to me like some of that microscopic amount of oil is discarded without helping anyone. It seems to me that the best case is the premix. If I were to use the OMP, I would drop it all in behind the Throttle Body, or into each throat on a carb. Or if you are a purist, into the float bowl.  

 

Years ago synthetic crank case oil was specifically not recommended by Mazda. (because of gumming)

 

Lynn E. Hanover

 

 

 

 

In a message dated 3/25/2008 10:43:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ALVentures@cox.net writes:

So it would also seem to me that using the OMP with 2-cycle oil in this scenario is significantly different than pre-mix.  But is it as effective, more effective, or worse??



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