X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com ([64.12.138.204] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.1) with ESMTP id 2816950 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:01:14 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.138.204; envelope-from=Lehanover@aol.com Received: from Lehanover@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id q.be4.2a4f218b (42805) for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:00:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Lehanover@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:00:09 EDT Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Oil Change Interval To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1206450009" X-Mailer: Unknown sub 36 X-Spam-Flag: NO -------------------------------1206450009 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, the airplane RPM range is just around where the lightest bearing loads are found. There was a chart on the other list about that. For the loads you might see, the bearing area is huge. The first bearing failure anyone would be likely to see is a rotor bearing, and if it still has oil pressure, that just will not happen below 9,000 RPM. (Thus the need to lighten the rotors for long term use above 9,000 RPM.)The rather high weight of the iron rotor is enough to load up the bearing to a point where the film strength of the oil is becoming important. Even then, the wedge oil temp is the culprit. The soft metal overlay on the bearing has a very low melting temperature, and starts to migrate away from the loaded area when over heated. This makes razor thin flakes along the bearing edges. The bearing face will be bright and shiny rather than a dull flat appearance of a new bearing. So those people who scream the engine all of the time, machine off the overlay and run on the copper. The extra .0015" is just fine for additional oil flow and the copper is a great bearing surface. It is however, far less tolerant of dirt bits in the oil. The bottom line is: You cannot hurt it. Cool the oil, keep the oil pressure at 71.5 (stock) pounds or better. Run an air filter, and it will outlive you. Check for apex seal groove wear at 100 hours, (through the exhaust ports) then after each 100 hours. (annual). Tracy should have a thought on the oil type if anything special is needed for gear box support. The Farm and Fleet store or, Tractor supply used to have Alnico magnets that they feed to cows to collect scrap metal that cows eat all of the time. It keeps the scrap in their first stomach where it dissolves. Put in a course screen so the magnet cannot block the flow. Lynn E. Hanover In a message dated 3/25/2008 5:32:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, msteitle@gmail.com writes: Lynn, Thanks for the great summary on oil. I guess I should have provided a bit more information on my first posting. This is a 3-rotor with a 2.85:1.0 RD2-C gearbox and an electric c/s prop. Normal engine operating range is between 5200 and 7000 rpm with the vast majority of time spent in the 5000 - 6000 range. I may briefly hit 7200-7300 rpm on takeoff roll, but that's only for a few seconds until the prop bites. Mark S. **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) -------------------------------1206450009 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well, the airplane RPM range is just around where the lightest bearing=20 loads are found. There was a chart on the other list about that. For the loa= ds=20 you might see, the bearing area is huge. The first bearing failure anyone wo= uld=20 be likely to see is a rotor bearing, and if it still has oil pressure, that=20= just=20 will not happen below 9,000 RPM.  (Thus the need to lighten the rotors=20= for=20 long term use above 9,000 RPM.)The rather high weight of the iron rotor is=20 enough to load up the bearing to a point where the film strength of the oil=20= is=20 becoming important. Even then, the wedge oil temp is the culprit. The soft m= etal=20 overlay on the bearing has a very low melting temperature, and starts to mig= rate=20 away from the loaded area when over heated. This makes razor thin flakes alo= ng=20 the bearing edges. The bearing face will be bright and shiny rather than a d= ull=20 flat appearance of a new bearing. So those people who scream the=20 engine all of the time, machine off the overlay and run on the copper. The e= xtra=20 .0015" is just fine for additional oil flow and the copper is a great bearin= g=20 surface. It is however, far less tolerant of dirt bits in the oil. 
 
The bottom line is: You cannot hurt it. Cool the oil, keep the oil pres= sure=20 at 71.5 (stock) pounds or better.
Run an air filter, and it will outlive you. Check for apex seal groove=20 wear at 100 hours, (through the exhaust ports) then after each 100 hour= s.=20 (annual).
 
Tracy should have a thought on the oil type if anything special is need= ed=20 for gear box support.
 
The Farm and Fleet store or, Tractor supply used to have Alnico magnets= =20 that they feed to cows to collect scrap metal that cows eat all of the time.= It=20 keeps the scrap in their first stomach where it dissolves. Put in a course=20 screen so the magnet cannot block the flow.
 
Lynn E. Hanover  
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 3/25/2008 5:32:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=20 msteitle@gmail.com writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>Lynn,=20

Thanks for the great summary on oil.  I guess I should have=20 provided a bit more information on my first posting.  This is a 3-rot= or=20 with a 2.85:1.0 RD2-C gearbox and an electric c/s prop. Normal engine=20 operating range is between 5200 and 7000 rpm with the vast majority of tim= e=20 spent in the 5000 - 6000 range.  I may briefly hit 7200-7300 rpm on=20 takeoff roll, but that's only for a few seconds until the prop bites. = ;=20
Mark S.




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