Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #41056
From: Thomas Jakits <rotary.thjakits@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Magic Vapor Cycle Engines
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 09:28:07 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
I have to rethink this....
Always thought, if youput the whole package onthe dyno it measures "what you get", like a chassis dyno, what you get is rearwheel-power minus slip....
 
What I want is a dyno to do my own little experiments, mainly motorcycle engine oriented (BMW airhead).
I understand that with a generator I need the efficiency numbers for that specific gen.
On the other hand I am not really in need of exact numbers. It doesn't matter if I have 70hp or 71 or 72,5 as long as the numbers are consistent. The idea is to see a change in specification/modification show up on the dyno...
 
It has to be somehow lowcost!!
 
Thanks for the posts!
 
Thomas
 
PS: Keep it coming if ideas appear!

On Jan 7, 2008 9:36 AM, Ernest Christley <echristley@nc.rr.com> wrote:
Charlie England wrote:
> Hi Thomas,
>
> If I understand your question, I think the assumptions might be
> reversed. My understanding is that any dyno, whether water brake,
> prop-loaded (air brake), etc. that uses the scale/lever technique is
> actually measuring raw engine torque. If you want to measure the
> losses in the gearbox and/or prop, you would measure thrust, convert
> to HP & compare to HP calculated from torque/rpm.
> If you are proposing measuring the output of a generator, you would be
> ignoring the losses in the inefficiency of the generator. That would
> be the equivalent of measuring only thrust in the previous example.
>
> If I'm in error, hopefully someone more knowledgeable will jump in.
>
> Charlie
>
>
> Thomas Jakits wrote:
>> Ooh yes! Pleease!
>> thjakits@gmail.com <mailto:thjakits@gmail.com >
>>
>> Thank you very much!
>>
>> Question to a possible "DIY/cheapo"-dyno:
>> I saw various plans/models where one bolts up the
>> engine/PSRU/club-prop and measures power via rpm x momentum (via
>> bathroomscale/lever). This gives me the overall hp - incl any losses
>> from the PSRU and inefficiencies fomr the prop.
>> What a about a pure engine-dyno? Drive a waterpump/generator (where
>> do I get a cheap 300kw generator??) ???
>>
Maybe use a prop bolted directly to the output shaft.  That gets around
the gearbox losses.  A ducted fan would also be a little safer.  Maybe
Perry can convert his old ducts and fans into a dyno business?

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