X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.121] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2c1) with ESMTP id 2608239 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:30:39 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=75.180.132.121; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Received: from edward2 ([24.74.103.61]) by cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com with SMTP id <20071221132958.FVPG29372.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@edward2> for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:29:58 +0000 Message-ID: <001701c843d5$9e407aa0$2402a8c0@edward2> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Fw: Give A Head Start to Your Car with our Electric Supercharger!! Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:30:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C843AB.B5386620" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C843AB.B5386620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Certainly some fascinating claims, Dave. 1 psi would appear in the = feasible category on the one. The $299. price for the other which from = the photo appears not to be a turbo compressor scroll, but black ABS = plastic which is different from the Thorton photo of a turbo compressor = scroll for $99.00. The Thomas Knight electric supercharger appears the most credible by = far. He is using 3 starter motors to drive a positive displacement = compressor to get 3-6 psi boost using 700 amps at 12 volts - It appears = he went to three 12 volt batteries in series to get the voltage higher = and lower current. So that installation has got to weigh a ton counting = the three batteries. Still looks like the mechanical driven supercharger or exhaust drive = turbocharger are still the most credible means of forced induction. I = had hopes for the Aeorchallenger Turbo that came out requiring no = lubrication lines back a few years ago (had its own self contained = lubrication), but they never had one for the rotary and it appears they = have vanished from the scene. Well, fun to think about a $99 supercharger that would produce 3-6 psi = of boost - but, I don't see it happening. So guess got to wait for the = 16B as Dave suggested. Ed ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Leonard=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 11:42 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fw: Give A Head Start to Your Car with our = Electric Supercharger!! OK, here is another company that seems to be selling the same = supercharger at the same price: http://www.electricchargers.com/ at least they have an address (Tacoma, WA) and a phone number to call = for further info.=20 Here are some video of people playing with them... Launching beer cans: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DoGQ-Xsj7hE4&NR=3D1 6 psi of static boost:=20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Db6kvkR_NX8w&NR=3D1 Here is a similar company with more info and a different product. = Specifically, they have much more realistic claims, looks to be a = compact size as well. I think this is the real deal.=20 http://www.electricsupercharger.com/products-eram.html Here is the report (from a different website) of a guy who put one of = those on his NSX:=20 http://www.240sx.org/faq/articles/superchargers.htm No need to add an extra battery Ed, If you are just using short = bursts it will draw off your current battery.=20 Here is a guy who tried to build his own out of a Marine blower... = did not work, tiny little motor so probably not a fair comparison: http://homemadeturbo.com/tech_projects/el_blower/index.html Finally, here is a Q and A from a guy who built his own for real = racing... won't apply to us, but he did it right (just does not say = how) = http://www.turbomagazine.com/tech/0406tur_knight_turbo_electric_superchar= ger/index.html Dave Leonard On Dec 20, 2007 6:57 PM, Ed Anderson = wrote: This is the response I got from Thorton Electric Supercharger. I specifically asked for weight which is not given. You be da judge. Ed > Hi, > > Yes, we do have the specific model of supercharger package you = need for=20 > your Mazda Rx-7. > > We personally guarantee 30% gains in horsepower and torque. Your = actual > gains will depend on your existing engine conditions. > > The price of one supercharger and complete package including = shipping=20 > comes out to US$124.95 for customers outside of the USA, USA = customers > will pay US$109.95. > > Extraneous testing sources indicate the following results : > > Air Flow: 1100CFM > Pressure: 8 PSI > Motor Speed: 25000 RPM > Current: 50 AMPS > Power Consumption: 600 Watts > > The installation instructions that are included with your order = will > explain how to do a professional install in a matter of a couple = hours.=20 > The supercharger will hook in parallel with your intake, and the > performance chip will hook up in parallel with your ECU. > > > Delivery will take 1-2 weeks. > > > If you have any further questions, feel free to ask.=20 > > thanks, > Jeff > > >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: Contact Us >> From: eanderson@carolina.rr.com=20 >> Date: Thu, December 20, 2007 9:32 am >> To: sales@electricsupercharger.net >> >> Name: Ed Anderson (Rotary_Ed) >> Car Make : Mazda Car Model : Rx-7=20 >> Car Year: 1991 E-mail address : = eanderson@carolina.rr.com >> Enter question or concerns here : I can find no = specifications >> for your product on your website. Have I simply missed it? = Interested in=20 >> technical details such as weight, size, power requirements, = compressor >> maps suitable for RX-7 Rotary engine use.ThanksRotary_Ed > -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html --=20 David Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net http://RotaryRoster.net ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C843AB.B5386620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Certainly some fascinating claims, = Dave.  =20  1 psi would appear in the feasible category on the one.  The = $299.=20 price for the other which from the photo appears not to be a turbo = compressor=20 scroll, but black ABS plastic which is different from the Thorton photo = of a=20 turbo compressor scroll for $99.00.
 
The Thomas Knight electric supercharger appears = the most=20 credible by far.  He is using 3 starter motors to drive a positive=20 displacement compressor to get 3-6 psi boost using 700 amps at 12 volts = - It=20 appears he went to three 12 volt batteries in series to get the voltage = higher=20 and lower current.  So that installation has got to weigh a ton = counting=20 the three batteries.
 
Still looks like the mechanical driven = supercharger or=20 exhaust drive turbocharger are still the most credible means of forced=20 induction.  I had hopes for the Aeorchallenger Turbo that came out=20 requiring no lubrication lines back a few years ago (had its own self = contained=20 lubrication), but they never had one for the rotary and it appears they = have=20 vanished from the scene.
 
Well, fun to think about a $99 supercharger that = would=20 produce 3-6 psi of boost - but, I don't see it happening.  So guess = got to=20 wait for the 16B as Dave suggested.
 
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 David=20 Leonard
Sent: Thursday, December 20, = 2007 11:42=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fw: = Give A Head=20 Start to Your Car with our Electric Supercharger!!

OK, here is another company that seems to be selling = the same=20 supercharger at the same price:
http://www.electricchargers.com= /
at=20 least they have an address (Tacoma, WA) and a phone number to call for = further=20 info.

Here are some video of people playing with=20 them...

Launching beer cans:

http://w= ww.youtube.com/watch?v=3DoGQ-Xsj7hE4&NR=3D1

6=20 psi of static boost:
http://w= ww.youtube.com/watch?v=3Db6kvkR_NX8w&NR=3D1

Here=20 is a similar company with more info and a different = product. =20 Specifically, they have much more realistic claims, looks to be a = compact size=20 as well.  I think this is the real deal.

http://ww= w.electricsupercharger.com/products-eram.html

Here=20 is the report (from a different website) of a guy who put one of those = on his=20 NSX:

http://www.2= 40sx.org/faq/articles/superchargers.htm

No=20 need to add an extra battery Ed,  If you are just using short = bursts it=20 will draw off your current battery.

Here is a guy who tried to = build=20 his own out of a Marine blower...  did not work,  tiny = little motor=20 so probably not a fair comparison:

http= ://homemadeturbo.com/tech_projects/el_blower/index.html

Finall= y,=20 here is a Q and A from a guy who built his own for real = racing...  won't=20 apply to us, but he did it right (just does not say how)

http://www.turbomagazine.com/tech/0406tur_knight_= turbo_electric_supercharger/index.html


Dave=20 Leonard

On Dec 20, 2007 6:57 PM, Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com&g= t;=20 wrote:
 This=20 is the response I got from Thorton Electric Supercharger.=20  I
specifically asked for weight which is not given. =  You be da=20 judge.

Ed

> Hi,
>
> Yes, we do have the = specific model of supercharger package you need for
> your = Mazda=20 Rx-7.
>
> We personally guarantee 30% gains in = horsepower and=20 torque.  Your actual
> gains will depend on your existing = engine=20 conditions.
>
> The price of one supercharger and = complete=20 package including shipping
> comes out to US$124.95 for = customers=20 outside of the USA, USA customers
> will pay=20 US$109.95.
>
> Extraneous testing sources indicate the = following=20 results :
>
> Air Flow:  1100CFM
> Pressure: =   8=20 PSI
> Motor Speed:  25000 RPM
> Current:   50=20 AMPS
> Power Consumption:  600 Watts
>
> The=20 installation instructions that are included with your order = will
>=20 explain how to do a professional install in a matter of a couple = hours.=20
> The supercharger will hook in parallel with your intake, = and=20 the
> performance chip will hook up in parallel with your=20 ECU.
>
>
> Delivery will take 1-2=20 weeks.
>
>
> If you have any further questions, = feel free=20 to ask.
>
> thanks,
> = Jeff
>
>
>>=20 -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Contact=20 Us
>> From: eanderson@carolina.rr.com=20
>> Date: Thu, December 20, 2007 9:32 am
>> To: sales@electricsupercharger= .net
>>
>>=20 Name: Ed Anderson (Rotary_Ed)
>>       =    =20    Car Make :  Mazda         =  =20    Car Model :  Rx-7
>> Car Year: =  1991  =20        E-mail address :  eanderson@carolina.rr.com>>=20 Enter question or concerns here :           = I can=20 find no specifications
>> for your product on your website. = Have I=20 simply missed it? Interested in
>> technical details such = as=20 weight, size, power requirements, compressor
>> maps = suitable for=20 RX-7 Rotary engine use.ThanksRotary_Ed
>


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