X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from rtp-iport-2.cisco.com ([64.102.122.149] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2c2) with ESMTP id 2480616 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:32:09 -0500 Received-SPF: softfail receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.102.122.149; envelope-from=echristley@nc.rr.com Received: from rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com ([64.102.121.158]) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 15 Nov 2007 09:31:27 -0500 Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (rtp-core-1.cisco.com [64.102.124.12]) by rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id lAFEVR6N025160 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:31:27 -0500 Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id lAFEVMES011034 for ; Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:31:27 GMT Received: from xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.21]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:31:22 -0500 Received: from [64.102.38.175] ([64.102.38.175]) by xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:31:22 -0500 Message-ID: <473C583C.2090208@nc.rr.com> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:31:24 -0500 From: Ernest Christley Reply-To: echristley@nc.rr.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (X11/20070824) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Thick vs Thin was : Diffuser Configuration Comparison References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Nov 2007 14:31:22.0125 (UTC) FILETIME=[319FABD0:01C82794] X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: SMEX-8.0.0.1181-5.000.1023-15546.002 X-TM-AS-Result: No--7.929900-8.000000-4 X-TM-AS-User-Approved-Sender: No X-TM-AS-User-Blocked-Sender: No Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1; header.From=echristley@nc.rr.com; dkim=neutral Tracy Crook wrote: > >> 3) Same air inlet with same mass flow rate >> > > This is where it starts to go badly wrong and/or misses the whole > point. The main object of using a thick rad is to use fewer CFM > (lower mass flow rate). If you want to assume same mass flow, there > is no advantage (and probably a disadvantage) for a thick rad. > STOP!! That sums up the whole non-debate right there, and stabs the demon squarely in the heart. On one side we have the idea that thin radiators offer less drag than thick ones, because you pass the air through it slower. You get less drag, and each CFM carries off the same amount of waste energy, because it spends more time in the core. On the other side we have "Yeah, you're right. But good luck fitting the necessary ducts into something that looks like an airplane." By golly, EVERYBODY IS RIGHT!!! Woohoo! Heh, we're getting rain here. I think I'll turn my sprinklers on and see if they'll write me a ticket for it. BTW, this discussion has been the most fun we've had on this list in quite a while.