X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com ([171.68.10.87] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2c2) with ESMTP id 2471869 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:34:34 -0500 Received-SPF: softfail receiver=logan.com; client-ip=171.68.10.87; envelope-from=echristley@nc.rr.com X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.21,417,1188802800"; d="scan'208";a="186687384" Received: from sj-dkim-4.cisco.com ([171.71.179.196]) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 14 Nov 2007 07:33:51 -0800 Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com (sj-core-5.cisco.com [171.71.177.238]) by sj-dkim-4.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id lAEFXpb7020822 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 07:33:51 -0800 Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id lAEFXfXT016917 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:33:51 GMT Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:33:27 -0500 Received: from [64.102.38.175] ([64.102.38.175]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:33:27 -0500 Message-ID: <473B1548.4000904@nc.rr.com> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:33:28 -0500 From: Ernest Christley Reply-To: echristley@nc.rr.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (X11/20070824) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Rebutal to the rebutal {:>) Thick vs Thin was : Diffuser Configuration Comparison References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Nov 2007 15:33:27.0122 (UTC) FILETIME=[B37B5B20:01C826D3] X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: SMEX-8.0.0.1181-5.000.1023-15544.002 X-TM-AS-Result: No--12.451200-8.000000-31 X-TM-AS-User-Approved-Sender: No X-TM-AS-User-Blocked-Sender: No Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-4; header.From=echristley@nc.rr.com; dkim=neutral Ed Anderson wrote: > Q = m cp DeltaT. Clearly shows that heat removal is proportional to BOTH mass flow AND deltaT (as well as the specific heat but that is fixed by nature). Yet, for some reason that I still don't understand, you skeptics seem to fixate on the mass flow factor {:>) and ignore DeltaT as if it were a factor you can do nothing about. > I think that is because you're reducing mass flow for the thick rad. You could do the same for the thin rad, and end with the same deltaT. To fairly compare the radiators, you have to fix the airflow at the inlet and decide which option you can get to dump the most heat into the air while offering the least drag. Of course, out here in the real world it doesn't work that way. Everything affects everything else, and we have to design the whole system. We rely on generalities and ROTs, and hope that we wind up with something that has a passing aquaintence with "optimized". Most of us will settle for a not to distant relative of "it works".