X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail.fdic.gov ([167.176.6.5] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.11) with ESMTPS id 2280906 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:29:53 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=167.176.6.5; envelope-from=brogers@fdic.gov DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; d=fdic.gov; s=fdic; c=simple/simple; q=dns; t=1187897352; x=1187983752; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-class:Content-Type; b=GvF3AcsVnGW8wxyBlgcIQitpdWYrsRf8RDW76b1h8x6Vh6hd0LOebpqnXusYrzISvHF74vEywZnEIQ aqvNEDSw== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7E5BB.BF8C9EDC" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: AeroElectric-List: Shakeup at EAA Sport Aviation Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:28:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1DFD9547A5A98143B8D5D36B01158B153667A9@DALEXC100P.PROD.FDIC.GOV> In-reply-to: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [FlyRotary] Re: AeroElectric-List: Shakeup at EAA Sport Aviation Thread-Index: AcflkM/Pl/Oex0A8Saqzqgn/0OkgJgAKYteQ References: From: "Rogers, Bob J." To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Return-Path: BRogers@FDIC.gov X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2007 19:28:49.0705 (UTC) FILETIME=[D4E94190:01C7E5BB] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7E5BB.BF8C9EDC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (snip - you said) "Mr. Hipschman has had a PP-SEL for three years. He's been the editor for, what?, five or so. I accept that as proof of my statement, "The guy took a job editing what should be an intensely hardcore aviation=20 publication, and he didn't have so much as a PP-SEL."=20 In fact, Mr. Hipschman has been the editor of Sport Aviation for less than three years; therefore, he was a licensed pilot when he took the job. Go back and look at your Sport Aviation magazines and find where he first took over. -----Original Message----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ernest Christley Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:20 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: AeroElectric-List: Shakeup at EAA Sport Aviation Richard Girard wrote: > Golly gosh, everything printed on the internet isn't always true? I'm=20 > shocked, truly shocked. Maybe Elvis really is dead. > > Rick > He's not. I saw him a few weeks ago on the TV. Berkut13, the message is valid, insomuch as I actually wrote it, and I=20 did report what I had heard as accurately as I am able. I believe my=20 source (who would kick my butt for making such a controversy) was=20 truthful and knowledgeable. You may not be able count on the=20 reliability of the "grapevine", but it is all we have. And don't kid=20 yourself that the talking heads that we call reporters are anything more than a glorified grapevine. You are correct that everything on the=20 Internet needs to be taken with a truckload of salt, but the same goes=20 for news that you get from anywhere else. (Queue "Dan Rather" vs. "Fair and Balanced" into another thread please.) The real crime is when=20 important events occur, but no one hears about them because the official branches of the grapevine get choked off. Having said that, I'm willing to admit that I have been completely wrong and should have kept the=20 information to myself...but not yet.=20 Membership revenues, especially from fiscal year-end numbers, is a=20 lagging indicator...and I mean a BIG lag. A downward turn in renewal=20 rates could easily take 18 months to be realized. If the fiscal year=20 ends tomorrow, and no one signed up for the rest of the year, the 2007=20 year could still show an increase. It wouldn't be until February 28,=20 2009 that the downturn would show up in a year end audit. Charts and=20 spreadsheets are not reality. Without being privy to month to month=20 figures, we don't know the real story. I still grant you that I may be=20 wrong, but I reserve that the year end numbers you quote are not proof=20 thereof. The August edition of SA was possibly shipped to the printer as early as June. A firing that happened a week or two ago would not show up in the publication. It would also be VERY easy to know about. The EAA isn't=20 THAT large, and there is a lot of networking among the various members. Secretaries, writers, even the janitor would know about it. A former=20 editor was asked to stand in as interim editor until they find a=20 replacement. Either I'm lying about that, the upstanding gentleman I=20 was talking to was lying, or one of us was completely confused.=20 Mr. Hipschman has had a PP-SEL for three years. He's been the editor=20 for, what?, five or so. I accept that as proof of my statement, "The=20 guy took a job editing what should be an intensely hardcore aviation=20 publication, and he didn't have so much as a PP-SEL."=20 I'm ready and willing to be proven wrong. The good Lord and my Momma=20 know that I've had enough practice to be good at it. I didn't think to=20 double-check behind my source, because he know some of the primary=20 actors personally and I just really can't phathom him making this sort=20 of thing up. If I am wrong, then it will be because people like=20 yourself bother themselves to bring more information to light, and I=20 apologize in advance for any inconvenience I may have caused.=20 > On 8/22/07, * berkut13@berkut13.com *=20 > > wrote: > > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: > > > (sigh) > > As you and the others likely know, the "grapevine" seldom can be > relied upon > for accurate dissemination of news. > > I looked at the published, audited financial statement for > EAA. It compares > the most recent audited years ending February 28, 2006 and > 2007. While the > report does not give the number of members, it does show the > revenue from > membership dues (same rate for both years @ $40). There was a > $143,667 > increase in revenue in 2007 over 2006. Based on that, it seems > membership > increased. For membership to have dropped by 20% in the last > year, the > membership dues revenue would have to show a decrease of more than > $1.2 > million. > > As for Mr. David Hipschman, he is still listed as the Editor of Sport > Aviation magazine in the August issue. Even if he is leaving, > there is no > way to know if he was fired. I also looked up David Hipschman in > the FAA > database - he is a PP-ASEL for three years now and lives in WI. > > It may still be a good idea to suggest that members write EAA with > their own > ideas for change or improvement of the organization, but I'm not > sure that > we can take the so-called "change" as a given - or the validity of > this > email for that matter. > -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7E5BB.BF8C9EDC Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [FlyRotary] Re: AeroElectric-List: Shakeup at EAA Sport = Aviation

      (snip - = you said) "Mr. Hipschman has had a PP-SEL for three years.  = He's been the editor for, what?, five or so.  I accept that as = proof of my statement, "The guy took a job editing what should be = an intensely hardcore aviation

      publication, and he didn't have so much as a = PP-SEL."

In = fact, Mr. Hipschman has been the editor of Sport Aviation for less = than three years; therefore, he was a licensed pilot when he took the = job.  Go back and look at your Sport Aviation magazines and = find where he first took over.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironlin= e.net] On Behalf Of Ernest Christley
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:20 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: AeroElectric-List: Shakeup at EAA Sport = Aviation

Richard = Girard wrote:

> = Golly gosh, everything printed on the internet isn't always true? I'm =

> = shocked, truly shocked. Maybe Elvis really is dead.

>

> = Rick

>

He's = not.  I saw him a few weeks ago on the TV.

Berkut13, the message is valid, insomuch as I actually = wrote it, and I

did = report what I had heard as accurately as I am able.  I believe my =

source = (who would kick my butt for making such a controversy) was =

truthful = and knowledgeable.  You may not be able count on the =

reliability of the "grapevine", but it is all = we have.  And don't kid

yourself = that the talking heads that we call reporters are anything more =

than a = glorified grapevine.  You are correct that everything on the =

Internet = needs to be taken with a truckload of salt, but the same goes =

for news = that you get from anywhere else.  (Queue "Dan Rather" vs. = "Fair

and = Balanced" into another thread please.) The real crime is when =

important events occur, but no one hears about them = because the official

branches = of the grapevine get choked off.  Having said that, I'm willing =

to admit = that I have been completely wrong and should have kept the =

information to myself...but not yet.

Membership revenues, especially from fiscal year-end = numbers, is a

lagging = indicator...and I mean a BIG lag.  A downward turn in renewal =

rates = could easily take 18 months to be realized.  If the fiscal year =

ends = tomorrow, and no one signed up for the rest of the year, the 2007 =

year = could still show an increase.  It wouldn't be until February 28, =

2009 = that the downturn would show up in a year end audit.  Charts and =

spreadsheets are not reality.  Without being privy = to month to month

figures, = we don't know the real story.  I still grant you that I may be =

wrong, = but I reserve that the year end numbers you quote are not proof =

thereof.

The = August edition of SA was possibly shipped to the printer as early as =

June.  A firing that happened a week or two ago = would not show up in the

publication.  It would also be VERY easy to know = about.  The EAA isn't

THAT = large, and there is a lot of networking among the various members.  =

Secretaries, writers, even the janitor would know about = it.  A former

editor = was asked to stand in as interim editor until they find a =

replacement.  Either I'm lying about that, the = upstanding gentleman I

was = talking to was lying, or one of us was completely confused. =

Mr. = Hipschman has had a PP-SEL for three years.  He's been the editor =

for, = what?, five or so.  I accept that as proof of my statement, = "The

guy took = a job editing what should be an intensely hardcore aviation =

publication, and he didn't have so much as a = PP-SEL."

I'm = ready and willing to be proven wrong.  The good Lord and my Momma =

know = that I've had enough practice to be good at it.  I didn't think to =

double-check behind my source, because he know some of = the primary

actors = personally and I just really can't phathom him making this sort =

of thing = up.  If I am wrong, then it will be because people like =

yourself = bother themselves to bring more information to light, and I =

apologize in advance for any inconvenience I may have = caused.

> On = 8/22/07, * berkut13@berkut13.com <mailto:berkut13@berkut13.com>= ;*

> = <berkut13@berkut13.com <mailto:berkut13@berkut13.com>= ;> wrote:

>

>     --> AeroElectric-List = message posted by: <berkut13@berkut13.com

>     <mailto:berkut13@berkut13.com>= ;>

>

>     (sigh)

>

>     As you and the others likely = know, the "grapevine" seldom can be

>     relied = upon

>     for accurate dissemination = of news.

>

>     I looked at the published, = audited financial statement for

>     EAA.  It = compares

>     the most recent audited = years ending February 28, 2006 and

>     2007.  While = the

>     report does not give the = number of members, it does show the

>     revenue = from

>     membership dues (same rate = for both years @ $40).  There was a

>     $143,667

>     increase in revenue in 2007 = over 2006.  Based on that, it seems

>     membership

>     increased.  For = membership to have dropped by 20% in the last

>     year, the

>     membership dues revenue = would have to show a decrease of more than

>     $1.2

>     million.

>

>     As for Mr. David Hipschman, = he is still listed as the Editor of Sport

>     Aviation magazine in the = August issue.  Even if he is leaving,

>     there is = no

>     way to know if he was = fired.  I also looked up David Hipschman in

>     the FAA

>     database - he is a PP-ASEL = for three years now and lives in WI.

>

>     It may still be a good idea = to suggest that members write EAA with

>     their own

>     ideas for change or = improvement of the organization, but I'm not

>     sure that

>     we can take the so-called = "change" as a given - or the validity of

>     this

>     email for that = matter.

>

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