Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #39057
From: George Lendich <lendich@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Air/fuel flow
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 17:12:07 +1000
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Lynn,
The question was on inlet velocity for a Mazda rotary at 7,500 rpm - if you happened to have some info on that.
 
Everyday cars have 450' per sec and race cars 125' per second,( suggested on a carb site) Ed's calculations used 176' per second which indicated a bigger inlet diameter. I was thinking about 300 to 350' per second would more like it, but I have no real hard data!
 
I indicated the Revmaster didn't have a venturi ( as stated by them), so I was questioning the strength of the vacuum signal and the impact on fuel flow. They said that the flat side on the needle created a low pressure  area which sucked-up the fuel and then was sucked in by the vacuum of the engine etc etc.
George ( down under)
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Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 2:28 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Air/fuel flow

In a message dated 8/17/2007 9:31:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lendich@optusnet.com.au writes:
I have asked Revmaster for air flow and velocity figures, but these may be derived from piston engine type figures.
 
If you or Lynn could comment on this it would be greatly appreciated.
 
Also my research indicates that flow air/ fuel mix richens at higher RPM and altitude. I can't remember why at higher RPM - mind block, however for altitude it is because fuel flow is driven by air flow and even though the density of the air is lower ( at altitude) the flow remains the same - therefore richer mixture. Revmaster says their needle design is self leaning ( to a degree) because of design. I assume because the air density directly affects the suction to the rear side of the flat ground needle, ( this provides the low pressure area rather than the venturi) therefore with reduced density you have reduced suction and reduced fuel and leaner mixture. However I will clarify that when next we talk.
I find this all very interesting!
George ( down under)
I have missed the question.
Carbs get leaner near the top of their RPM ranges and use a number of tricks to maintain a reasonable F/A at high RPM. Even Webers with a huge number of emulsion tubes and jets for any imagined situation. If you actually remove the venturi (called the choke) from a carburetor it no longer will develop any differential pressure, and no fuel will flow through it.
None is way too lean.
More like the Bendix dribble fuel injection that is based on a positive displacement pump geared to the engine. It just pees fuel all of the time. Crude but effective.
 
In many cases of a slide and needle type of carb, the edges of the slide hole and the flat shelf the slide seals against, is more than enough turbulence to form the choke. Like Posa, Stromberg, SU and any motorcycle carb. They all have chokes even though it is not obvious. 
 
A 12A dyno sheet shows 139.6 foot pounds of torque at 6,500  RPM. and 173.3 HP. This is an engine designed for 9,600 RPM shifting. This has a Weber carb has two 36MM chokes. Two 40MM chokes would be real nice. Longer runners would be better, so cruise RPM is also the peak torque or a bit above peak.
 
Lynn E. Hanover 




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