X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com ([171.71.176.117] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.11) with ESMTP id 2247674 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 07 Aug 2007 09:18:13 -0400 Received-SPF: softfail receiver=logan.com; client-ip=171.71.176.117; envelope-from=echristley@nc.rr.com Received: from sj-dkim-1.cisco.com ([171.71.179.21]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 07 Aug 2007 06:17:33 -0700 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAG4NuEarR7MV/2dsb2JhbAA X-IronPort-AV: i="4.19,229,1183359600"; d="scan'208"; a="195747635:sNHT32428548" Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l77DHXHP004170 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 06:17:33 -0700 Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l77DHBFY024831 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:17:33 GMT Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 7 Aug 2007 09:17:17 -0400 Received: from [64.102.38.169] ([64.102.38.169]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 7 Aug 2007 09:17:17 -0400 Message-ID: <46B870DE.9060209@nc.rr.com> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 09:17:18 -0400 From: Ernest Christley Reply-To: echristley@nc.rr.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: RV -7A Cooling Update 8/6/07 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2007 13:17:17.0120 (UTC) FILETIME=[46E2BC00:01C7D8F5] Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-1; header.From=echristley@nc.rr.com; dkim=neutral Ed Anderson wrote: > From my understanding of K&W and your radiator orientation, I would > hazard a "Yes", I think you may have found a significant reason for > getting less cooling than you would initially think you would get with > that size radiator. > > Rather than the larger, relatively more aerodynamic cross-tank tubes > turning the air, the air, as you point out, is meeting the sharp edge > of the fins between the tubes. This likely causes flow separation and > that turbulence at the entrance could, in effect, act as a barrier to > good flow through the core channels. So that may indeed be a reason > why manipulation of your airflow inside the duct Just thinking out loud here, but I'm wondering what effect lanced-fins have on this dynamic. History lesson as it was passed on to me. Engineers attempted to push up the efficiencies of heat exchangers by using more but thinner fins as manufacturing technology progressed enough to make working with such thin material feasible. They also attempted to use fin configurations that created micro-turbulence within the fin passages that would break the boundary layer and help transfer heat to the air. They soon found that it choked the airflow to much. They eventually figured out that they could cut holes in the fins to reduce the back pressure, while also increasing micro-turbulence. The non-lanced fins would entrain a vortex and consume energy maintaining it. The vortices would form on lanced fins, but then there is a hole that breaks it up. The result was comparatively excellent efficiencies for both heat removal and low airflow restrictions. Most newer cores are built using lanced-fins, and I believe the Mazda oil cooler does also. The weed blower with a radiator in a box would give a quick answer, but I'm thinking it may not make much of a difference. This would leave you searching for another restriction that is reducing airflow. What did you say the pressure diff across the rad faces was, Dennis? > > Ed > > P.S. Really could use some of the wet stuff Nawh! We've got plenty of water. It's just hanging in the air as steam. Good thing, too. I've always wanted a sauna, now all I have to do is walk outside.