X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.64] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.11) with ESMTP id 2240422 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 13:20:55 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.64; envelope-from=CBarber@TexasAttorney.net Received: from [64.91.181.4] (helo=BLF) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1IH0oz-0004pa-Tl for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 03 Aug 2007 13:20:18 -0400 From: "Christopher Barber" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Static RPM Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 12:20:20 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00E8_01C7D5C8.A90EBF80" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-ELNK-Trace: 04a7e290e6af3b12d3631fa4f7b525ef239a348a220c2609c8f1f24080c3db52fef15db4219a4fbf50e5dc5ab6323efb350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.91.181.4 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E8_01C7D5C8.A90EBF80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not even an issue. Ask and I shall attempt to give you some insight and/or direction. However, I am only licensed in the Great State of Texas, not attorney-client relationship is being established.....your mileage may very, yadda yadda yadda....legal disclaimer ....blah blah blah. Hey, if I can't make a feeble attempt to protect my interest why would you think I can protect yours? Feel free to call my cell at 832-818-CELL (2355) or post here or privately if it is sensitive......or even if not. I hope I can prove helpful All the best, Chris Christopher Barber Attorney and Counselor at Law 5110 Bissonnet, No 418 Bellaire, Texas 77401 Serving the Needs of Senior Texans 281-464-LAWS (5297) 281-754-4168 Fax www.TexasAttorney.net -----Original Message----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]On Behalf Of Tracy Crook Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 8:39 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Static RPM Just a guess but sounds like noise or result of very long cable runs on the RPM readings. Many possible fixes. Carefully read the auto tune instructions. Yes, the adjustments happen slowly. Very Important! This is not Not Pn'P! Did you follow the instructions to setup Mode 3 (injector flow rate) BEFORE doing any other tuning? Sounds like it's setting might be a bit high for your installation (no 2 are alike so far). What's normal for static RPM? There is no normal. Depends on your prop, gear ratio, manifold tuning, what you are trying to optomize, etc, etc. Got any numbers on the prop? Could give a SWAG if we knew that. 5500 rpm is generally enough to make takeoff power though. Hey Chris, just had a thought. Wouldn't ask for free legal advice but how about swapping some for EC2 /EM2 advice :>) Tracy On 8/2/07, Christopher Barber wrote: Ok, I know I have read about this somewhere, but not sure where or what I read means, but I finally ran my engine up to full power and was wondering what kind of numbers I should be seeing. Even though I had some intermentant wire issue (SUPRISE) in that as I got over about 4500 rpm the rpm would flash in the hundreds and then go to zero. When I throttled back to below 4500 ish, the reading came back. This happened a few times. However, later when I did it, the readings were better and I was able to run the rpm up to about 5500 rpm at full power on the Mistral Intake (so about 2534 rpm at the prop). It seem to reach full rpm at about 3/4 (to 4/5) of full throttle and then mostly stablized. Sounded smooth even though I am still running rich. It seems to run much better with the mixture at about 9 oclock and bogs as I bring it to the noon position. In auto tune it seems to be trying to lean but kinda slow and if I try to keep it at the 12 oclock position it seems too rich, so I think I will need to do some manual leaning and then go back to the autotune. I am idleing pretty smoothly at about 1000 rpm. Is this RPM range acceptable? Is this good; bad? What should I expect? I was nervous to run it up like this, but I just kept telling myself that I am not gonna be throwing a rod or blowing a jug . If you remember I do not have coolant temp reading right now, so I closely monitored the oil temp and kept the run short, but I was curious as to what I could run it up to. Thanks again. All the best, Chris ------=_NextPart_000_00E8_01C7D5C8.A90EBF80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Not=20 even an issue.  Ask and I shall attempt to give you some insight = and/or=20 direction.  However, I am only licensed in the Great State of = Texas, not=20 attorney-client relationship is being established.....your mileage may = very,=20 yadda yadda yadda....legal disclaimer ....blah blah blah.  Hey, if = I can't=20 make a feeble attempt to protect my interest why would you think I can = protect=20 yours? <G>
 
Feel=20 free to call my cell at 832-818-CELL (2355) or post here or privately if = it is=20 sensitive......or even if not.
 
I hope=20 I can prove helpful
 
All=20 the best,
 
Chris
 

Christopher Barber
Attorney and Counselor at = Law
5110=20 Bissonnet, No 418
Bellaire, Texas 77401

Serving the Needs of = Senior=20 Texans

281-464-LAWS (5297)
281-754-4168 = Fax
www.TexasAttorney.net=20

-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20 [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]On Behalf Of Tracy=20 Crook
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 8:39 AM
To: = Rotary=20 motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Static=20 RPM

Just a guess but sounds like noise or result of very long cable = runs on=20 the RPM readings.  Many possible fixes.
 
Carefully read the auto tune instructions.  Yes, the = adjustments=20 happen slowly.  Very Important!  This is not Not = Pn'P! =20 Did you follow the instructions to setup Mode 3 (injector flow rate) = BEFORE=20 doing any other tuning?  Sounds like it's setting might be a bit = high for=20 your installation (no 2 are alike so far). 
 
What's normal for static RPM?  There is no normal.  = Depends on=20 your prop, gear ratio, manifold tuning, what you are trying to = optomize, etc,=20 etc.  Got any numbers on the prop?  Could give a SWAG if we = knew=20 that.  5500 rpm is generally enough to make takeoff power=20 though. 
 
Hey Chris, just had a thought.  Wouldn't ask for free legal = advice=20 but how about swapping some for EC2 /EM2 advice :>)
 
Tracy
 
On 8/2/07, Christopher=20 Barber <CBarber@texasattorney.net&g= t;=20 wrote:=20
Ok, I know I have read about this = somewhere,=20 but not sure where or what I read means, but I finally ran my engine = up to=20 full power and was wondering what kind of numbers I should be = seeing.=20
 
Even though I had some intermentant = wire issue=20 (SUPRISE) in that as I got over about 4500 rpm the rpm = would flash in=20 the hundreds and then go to zero.  When I throttled back = to below=20 4500 ish, the reading came back.  This happened a few times.=20
 
However, later when I did = it, the readings=20 were better and I was able to run the rpm up to about 5500 rpm = at full=20 power on the Mistral Intake (so about 2534 rpm at the prop).  = It seem=20 to reach full rpm at about 3/4 (to 4/5) of full throttle and then = mostly=20 stablized.  Sounded smooth even though I am still running = rich. =20 It seems to run much better with the mixture at about 9 oclock and = bogs as I=20 bring it to the noon position.  In auto tune it seems to = be=20 trying to lean but kinda slow and if I try to keep it at the 12 = oclock=20 position it seems too rich, so I think I will need to do some = manual=20 leaning and then go back to the autotune.  I am idleing pretty = smoothly=20 at about 1000 rpm.
 
Is this RPM range acceptable?  = Is this=20 good; bad? What should I expect? I was nervous to run it = up like=20 this, but I just kept telling myself that I am not gonna be throwing = a rod=20 or blowing a jug <g>.  If you remember I do not have = coolant temp=20 reading right now, so I closely monitored the oil temp and kept the = run=20 short, but I was curious as to what I could run it up to.  = Thanks=20 again.
 
All the best,
 
Chris
 
 

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