X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.64] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.10) with ESMTP id 2173938 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:38:35 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.64; envelope-from=CBarber@TexasAttorney.net Received: from [24.238.208.71] (helo=BLF) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1I93Y4-00047H-UI for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:37:57 -0400 From: "Christopher Barber" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Sparkless update ...now Oil again Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:35:59 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01A0_01C7C489.954B4450" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-ELNK-Trace: 04a7e290e6af3b12d3631fa4f7b525ef239a348a220c26099c1c40845989b6039bdbfd93f7ab01ab0cdf93a589ab4c3c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.238.208.71 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01A0_01C7C489.954B4450 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Put the IVO prop on and ran with it 'bout a week and half, or so, ago. REALLY makes it seem like an airplane. Seems to be running better each day as we diagnose and cure problems. On that note (and this is cross posted on canardaviation.com) is what oils are recommended during break in. I searched the archive and could not get it to respond, but I am all but certain we have discussed type of oil, how long to use during break in and what oil to move to and when. Seems I recall dino oil being used at first, drain, change filter/oil and run. After x number of hours repeat a couple of times before moving to synthetic. If so, how long on dino. How do you compare break-in road miles to hobbs hours? As Dave stated, we have about 1.5 hours right now as we troubleshoot for smooth, consistent and cool operation (gee, new tuning and keeping a new engine install cool in a Houston summer while Tracy is out of town.......good timing Chris) All the best, Chris Christopher Barber Attorney and Counselor at Law 5110 Bissonnet, No 418 Bellaire, Texas 77401 Serving the Needs of Senior Texans 281-464-LAWS (5297) 281-754-4168 Fax www.TexasAttorney.net -----Original Message----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]On Behalf Of Finn Lassen Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 12:14 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Sparkless update Again, forget about tuning the engine until you have the prop on! I know you don't want to hear that, but I must have wasted at least ten hours "tuning" the engine without prop (and that was the hard way: soldering shut the holes in the carb jets, drilling a smaller size, etc.) Might as well get used to having that prop out there. Just make sure the plane is tied down, etc. Finn Christopher Barber wrote: Well, after a couple of hours of wire testing (buzz testing etc) I was finally able to track down my sparkless problem. Seems that when I first started my wiring I was short some of my expensive aviation crimp connections and I used lower quality butt connectors. Well, one of the cheap ones did not hold the wire in and the two white/white&black CAS wires came out, thus no spark. I have used very few of these cheaper connectors and have replaced most of the few I have used........hadn't made it to these yet. Just one more thing I am happy to discover on the ground. Since I knew little if anything about wiring 6 months ago and now I feel pretty confortable, I am amazed at how different the quality is on the cheaper and the the better conectors. I now even know what to look for and have found some much better quality ones at local hardware stores....even though the ones on the plane all came from aviation specific vendors. The engine still starts inconsistantly....one time easy, then not starting at all until I hold my tounge juuuuust right, or so it seems. It also seems to still be running rich. Which is not suprising since I have not done anything to it since it was not running. Now that it is running again though, I can start to actually TUNE the beast. Thanks for y'all's continued support, insight and wisedom. All the best, Chris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/893 - Release Date: 7/9/2007 5:22 PM ------=_NextPart_000_01A0_01C7C489.954B4450 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Put=20 the IVO prop on and ran with it 'bout a week and half, or so, = ago.  =20 REALLY makes it seem like an airplane.  Seems to be running better = each day=20 as we diagnose and cure problems.
 
On=20 that note (and this is cross posted on canardaviation.com) is what oils = are=20 recommended during break in.  I searched the archive and could not = get it=20 to respond, but I am all but certain we have discussed type of oil, how = long to=20 use during break in and what oil to move to and when.  Seems I = recall dino=20 oil being used at first, drain, change filter/oil and run. After x = number of=20 hours repeat a couple of times before moving to synthetic.  If so, = how long=20 on dino.  How do you compare break-in road miles to hobbs = hours?  As=20 Dave stated, we have about 1.5 hours right now as we troubleshoot for = smooth,=20 consistent and cool operation (gee, new tuning and keeping a new engine = install=20 cool in a Houston summer while Tracy is out of town.......good = timing=20 Chris)
 
All=20 the best,
 
Chris
 

Christopher Barber
Attorney and Counselor at = Law
5110=20 Bissonnet, No 418
Bellaire, Texas 77401

Serving the Needs of = Senior=20 Texans

281-464-LAWS (5297)
281-754-4168 = Fax
www.TexasAttorney.net=20

-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20 [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]On Behalf Of Finn=20 Lassen
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 12:14 PM
To: = Rotary=20 motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Sparkless=20 update

Again, forget about tuning the engine until = you=20 have the prop on!

I know you don't want to hear that, but I = must have=20 wasted at least ten hours "tuning" the engine without prop (and that = was the=20 hard way: soldering shut the holes in the carb jets, drilling a = smaller size,=20 etc.)

Might as well get used to having that prop out there. = Just make=20 sure the plane is tied down, etc.

Finn

Christopher = Barber wrote:=20
Well, after a couple of hours of = wire testing=20 (buzz testing etc) I was finally able to track down my = sparkless=20 problem.  Seems that when I first started my wiring I was short = some of=20 my expensive aviation crimp connections and I used lower quality = butt=20 connectors.  Well, one of the cheap ones did not hold the wire = in and=20 the two white/white&black CAS wires came out, thus no = spark.  =20 I have used very few of these cheaper connectors and have replaced = most of=20 the few I have used........hadn't made it to these yet.  Just = one more=20 thing I am happy to discover on the ground.
 
Since I knew little if anything = about wiring 6=20 months ago and now I feel pretty confortable, I am amazed at how = different=20 the quality is on the cheaper and the the better conectors.  I = now even=20 know what to look for and have found some much better quality ones = at local=20 hardware stores....even though the ones on the plane all came from = aviation=20 specific vendors.
 
The engine still starts = inconsistantly....one=20 time easy, then not starting at all until I hold my tounge juuuuust = right,=20 or so it seems. It also seems to still be running = rich. Which=20 is not suprising since I have not done anything to it since = it was not=20 running.  Now that it is running again though, I can start to = actually=20 TUNE the  beast. 
 
Thanks for y'all's continued = support, insight=20 and wisedom.
 
All the best,
 
Chris

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