X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail15.syd.optusnet.com.au ([211.29.132.196] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.10) with ESMTPS id 2161050 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 06 Jul 2007 03:23:13 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=211.29.132.196; envelope-from=lendich@optusnet.com.au Received: from george (d211-31-238-94.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au [211.31.238.94]) by mail15.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id l667MRg9001944 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 17:22:28 +1000 Message-ID: <006a01c7bf9e$6af86470$5eee1fd3@george> From: "George Lendich" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Ford EDIS ignition systems Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 17:22:31 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0657-0, 12/12/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Ernest, Your preaching to the converted - it's just a matter of finding the right sized one that puts out the right power at the right RPM, for those with high power requirements. Simple right !? George (down under) > Thomas Jakits wrote: >> Do you have all your "run/kick-off" ideas on your site? >> And what EWP's are you using? >> >> TJ >> > > No. Very few of my engine ideas are posted there. Most of the website > work was done when I was working as a security guard during the Dot-Com > bust days. Working a real job now, I have to make a choice between > building an airplane and talking about it. > I'll talk more about the next one. But for now: > > One of the negatives for the rotary engine is an output that goes at > 6000RPM, necessitating the need for a gearbox. But maybe we can make some > lemonade. Let's exchange the alternator for something more reliable and > lighter. > > The alternator solves a problem that cars have. They spend a lot of time > idling, which means that a dynamo wouldn't be turning very fast. Since > the dynamo's output depends on how fast it's spinning, you're battery > would run dead as your sitting at a stoplight. The alternator solves the > problem by replacing the magnets with an electro-magnet. Now, the magnets > strength can be increase when the car is idling, so that enough electrons > are pumped to keep all the electro-whizzies a whizzing. > But we don't idle much in airplanes. And the alternator carries with it > all sorts of error modes and extra weight. Belts break. There's all that > work and circuitry to control that electro-magnet. Let it get away from > you and you'll fry all the electro-whizzies. There's a side load applied > to the shaft that has to be supported by bearings. Then you've got a lot > of weight invested in brackets and pulleys. And don't even mention a case > to hold the alternator that is solid enough to not buckle under the side > load. > > Henry Ford showed us the path to light and reliable aircraft electricity > in 1897. I'm going to copy the old design. > > http://bobhooversblog.blogspot.com/2007/06/av-reliable-ignition.html > > 4.7lbs isn't a great weight saver compared to some of the lightweight > alternators out there, but I don't think they're usually weighed with the > mounting brackets and pulleys from the engine side of the belt. We can > get more weight savings if we let the flywheel that we already have double > as a rotor. The last part requires some investigation, but there isn't a > rule that the coils must be round. > > The electric water pump I'm using is a CSR-901S. > > Back to that 6000RPM thing. What else can we do with that? > > Your typical commerical leaf blower spins at 6000RPM. Delivers 600CFM at > 100MPH or more. Ever seen inside one? The ones I've seen all have four > flat impeller blades space at 90 degrees. There's a nice space between > that gearbox adapter plate and the engine. Tom Belvin is machining an > adapter plate for me. It's going to be round. So now we have an > excellent source of lightly compressed air. What can we do with that? > > The first thought is immediately turbocharging...or is that supercharging. > Regardless of what you call it, it's not a big boost, but is that a bad > thing. You can never have too much power at your disposal, but how much > work and complexity do you have to add to get it. The fan won't add > enough pressure to require pop-off valves and such (I think). The intake > air won't be sucked through a device that is connected to the exhaust. > There'll be no added exhaust back pressure. Nothing spinning at > 100,000RPM. Basically, another ??Hp for the cost of some fan blades and > a shroud. > > We can also use some of the pressurized air to help with the rotaries > exhaust problems. The heat destroys most mufflers and the noise pounds > them into dust. The biggest part of the noise comes from the supersonic > exhaust pulse. Slow that air down, and it starts to get much quieter. > The easiest way to slow it down is to cool it. How about we pump some of > that air backwards through the EGR ports. There's a hole at the top > center of the engine. Bruce covered mine with an aluminum plate. The > other end of the passage is a 3/8" or so hole under each exhaust port. A > constant breeze of cool air will go a long way toward taming the exhaust > demon. > > There's other things I'd like to tell you about, but the aliens say that I > have to keep quiet about them for now. I'm not sure if it is because it > is 1am, or because they're not ready for the rest of the world to > experience rotary teleportation (the piston teleportation is so old hat). > > Good night. > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html