Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #38194
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] FW: Phase 1 completion
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 11:24:30 -0400
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Nice Looking Aircraft, Al
 
Yes, after I first started attending Flyins, I found that inevitably I was asked  "can I see the engine?"   So I soon started taking the cowl off right after tying the aircraft down.
 
 I guess some teething problems are always encountered with a new configuration (3 rotor, composite airframe, etc), but you do seem to have had your share of the odd ones.   Electrical interference apparently can be a bit more of a problem than on an all metal body.  I presume Tracy is going to incorporate the interference fixes in future EC2s - do you happen to know?
 
Well, glad to see you flying even it all is not perfect. It sure sounds suspiciously like it must be the pressure transducer if altitude increases make it lean out and B controller is OK.  I wonder if a cracked transducer case would have this effect - but, no, you stated their output is the same at two different altitudes. That would imply they are both performing the same.
 
 The only thing I can recall that is  unique to controller A is the inlet air temperature sensor.  Controller A has a temperature sensor and controller B does not.  While it does have some effect on the pulse duration, its effect is normally fairly small compared to the manifold pressure effect.  But, I wonder if that has been checked?  Possible could account for why the manifold pressure transducer output appears to check out, but the mixture gets leaner.  I don't know what the algorithm is, but, I would assume that the effect of the temperature sensor would normally be to make the mixture richer as temperatures decrease with increasing altitude - but, your problem is the opposite. 
 
Still I have found that when the obvious fix does not seem to cure  the problem then the less-obvious is the place to look {:>)
 
In any case, you'll get those teething problems sorted out and have a great airplane.
 
Ed
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Al Gietzen
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 10:29 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] FW: Phase 1 completion

 

Ed wrote:

Its a real airplane now {:>)!!.  You know you are going to have to take some time at some point to give us all a rundown on your first 40 hours.  I suspect that due to the lack of messages from you to the contrary that it must have been mostly smooth going.

 

Some of the usual delays getting going.  Some surprises on weight and balance; delays waiting for workable insurance quote; delays waiting for test pilot since the insurance company wouldn’t cover me in my plane, etc.  Other than that, I guess three main issues:

 

The most time consuming, and on-going, issue has been with the EC2.  I realize that the unit works well on Tracy’s and similar installations, but it did not accommodate my combination of composite airplane, 3-rotor engine, and my electrical system design.  After lots of checking and changes, some of which helped, but didn’t solve the problem; we finally added additional filtering on the circuit board; and that problem went away.

 

In the process we identified some additional issues arising from the way in which the 2-rotor version was adapted to the 3-rotor.  This has been resolved by adding Schottky diodes in the circuits to the injectors to prevent partial pulses going to the set of injectors turned off by staging, or by the disable switches.

 

There are two remaining issues. Controller “A” works fine on the ground, but the mixture gets progressively leaner as altitude is increased. By 6000 ft it runs out of manual adjustment, and it has to be switched to controller “B”, which works just fine.  Both controllers read the MAP from the same line via a ‘T’. Very mysterious.  We are replacing the pressure sensor on A on the outside chance that will solve the problem, even though the measured output from the A and B sensors are the same when the unit is powered up (out of the plane) at different altitudes (measured at 1400’ and 5300’).

 

The other is that there is something strange about the timing.  At low power things appear fine; switching off leading ignition has more effect than switching off trailing, as expected.  At operating power levels, however; switching off leading has almost no noticeable effect; whereas switching off trailing drops the rpm by 400+ rpm – which suggests that the timing is very late.  Yet advancing the timing via mode 8 does not make any improvement.  What is wrong with this picture?  It is possible that the added filters caused a delay in the timing, although analysis suggests the effect would be small.  Why doesn’t advancing the timing improve the power? Is there a timing change to one set of coils associated with disabling the other?  We are removing the filtering capacitors from the ignition circuits as a test to see what the effect is.

 

Tracy has been cooperative and as helpful as can be expected throughout this process, but we are at opposite ends of the country (FL and CA).  Fortunately my son is expert in this field, and has been great help; although he is in CO, still far away.

 

Other than that the things that come to mind are that I needed to make some small adjustments on the incidence angles of the wings and the canard; and the marginally high oil temps that I have mentioned here recently.  As soon as the EC2 is back in, I expect to due some measurements and tests to remedy that issue.

 

Have a happy 4th!!

 

Al

 

P.S. I’ve attached a photo of my plane taken at a recent local air show.  It’s amazing how much attention an unusual airplane with an unusual engine attracts; at even a small air show.

 


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