X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail18.syd.optusnet.com.au ([211.29.132.199] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.10) with ESMTPS id 2150444 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 30 Jun 2007 17:39:42 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=211.29.132.199; envelope-from=lendich@optusnet.com.au Received: from george (d58-108-82-30.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au [58.108.82.30]) by mail18.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id l5ULcuDk022397 for ; Sun, 1 Jul 2007 07:38:58 +1000 Message-ID: <001501c7bb5f$14fc3a30$1e526c3a@george> From: "George Lendich" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Brazing was [FlyRotary] Re: PP Construction.. Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 07:39:02 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C7BBB2.E549F2B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0657-0, 12/12/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C7BBB2.E549F2B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ed, All true, but PP comes into it's own when you need that extra power to = match the size of the aircraft. I'm pursuing the single for those aircraft that need just a bit more = than 100 hp. I think Richard is doing a great job in this area, and I hope he is = successful. George ( down under)=20 Hi Dave, I was just responding to Doug on whether I thought the H2000 aluminum = brazing rod (pretty amazing stuff) would work to braze the PP tube to = the outer aluminum surface of a rotor housing. I think it would- = provide you are able heat up the housing sufficiently.=20 While I find PP very intriguing, I realize that since I don't fly to = the power capability of my stock 13B, there would not be much point on = investing the time and money for a PP. Yes, it could be nice on take = off, but then I throttle back to my normal 7.5-8 gph economy cruise. So = it just doesn't seem to make it worth the effort - for me and my way of = flying. =20 However, for those who want high speed cruise it sounds like a good = way to go. The problem is other than Richard Sohn and his PP single = rotor, I don't know of anyone who has actually done it, much less flying = with one. The exception is the $$ PowerSport engine - nice PP, nice = power - but expensive. Ed ----- Original Message -----=20 From: david mccandless=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:24 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: PP Construction.. On 30, Jun , at 9:08 AM, Ed Anderson wrote: Doug, I have not tried that particular brazing job, but I think it = would be much better than just about any other method so far mentioned. = However, that rotor housing is a large mass of aluminum to get up to = temperature brazing temperature, so it would probably take a high BTU = torch and perhaps a larger propane tank (like for the BBQ grill) rather = than the smaller bottles. I would certainly try it on a junk housing = first. But, seeing what they did in the H2000 video with that stuff, I = would say it's certainly worth a try.=20 =20 =20 Ed Hi Ed and Doug, I have been following the posts on al brazing, but I am not sure I = have this right.=20 Are you suggesting that a SS Pport tube could be TIG welded to the = steel liner inside the rotor housing and brazed to the cast aluminum = housing on the outside? This sounds like the ultimate solution=20 BR, Dave McC ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C7BBB2.E549F2B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ed,
All true, but PP comes into it's own = when you=20 need that extra power to match the size of the aircraft.
I'm pursuing the single for those = aircraft that=20 need just a bit more than 100 hp.
I think Richard is doing a great job = in this=20 area, and I hope he is successful.
George ( down = under) 
Hi Dave,
 
I was just responding to Doug on whether I = thought the=20 H2000 aluminum brazing rod (pretty amazing stuff) would work to braze = the PP=20 tube to the outer aluminum surface of a rotor housing.  I think = it would-=20 provide you are able heat up the housing = sufficiently. 
 
 While I find PP very intriguing, I = realize that=20 since I don't fly to the power capability of my stock 13B, there would = not be=20 much point on investing the time and money for a PP.  Yes, it = could be=20 nice on take off, but then I throttle back to my normal 7.5-8 gph = economy=20 cruise.  So it just doesn't seem to make it worth the effort - = for me and=20 my way of flying. 
 
However, for those who want high speed cruise = it sounds=20 like a good way to go.  The problem is other than  Richard = Sohn and=20 his PP single rotor, I don't know of anyone who has actually done it, = much=20 less flying with one.  The exception is the $$ PowerSport engine = - nice=20 PP, nice power - but expensive.
 
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 david=20 mccandless
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 = 10:24=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: PP=20 Construction..


On 30, Jun , at 9:08 AM, Ed Anderson = wrote:

Doug, I have not tried that particular brazing job, but = I=20 think it would be much better than just about any other method so = far=20 mentioned.  However, that rotor housing  is  a = large mass=20 of aluminum to get up to temperature brazing temperature, so it = would=20 probably take a high BTU torch and perhaps a larger propane tank = (like for=20 the BBQ grill)  rather than the smaller bottles.  I = would=20 certainly try it on a junk housing first.  But, seeing what = they did=20 in the H2000 video with that stuff, I would say it's certainly = worth a=20 = try. 
 
&nb= sp;
Ed

Hi=20 Ed and Doug,
I have been following the posts on al brazing, but I = am not=20 sure I have this right.
Are you suggesting that a SS Pport tube = could be=20 TIG welded to the steel liner inside the rotor housing and brazed to = the=20 cast aluminum housing on the outside?
This sounds like the = ultimate=20 solution
BR, Dave = McC
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